Reserve Class A and medical care

[schart28]

Can anyone tell me what is the CFMS policy concerning the provision of civilian medical information to the military for a SDA injury?

Is there any regulation which states that one must provide it?

 

[old medic]

Reserve or Regular?
Was it before or after you joined?
Was it on or off duty?

 

[schart28]

Reserve, while on duty in Bosnia. It was not there before I joined.

Reserve or Regular?
Was it before or after you joined?
Was it on or off duty?

 

[old medic]

On class C service then...
Did CFMS provide the referal, and are they paying the bills?
You'll want everything you can on your file then.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/clients/SUB.CFM?source=forces/disa

Disability Pensions

You may be eligible for disability pension benefits if you now have, or later develop, a permanent disability resulting from an injury or disease that:

    * Was attributable to, incurred during, or aggravated by service in a theatre of war or operations or in a Special Duty Area (SDA);
    * Arose out of, was directly connected with, or aggravated by other Regular or Reserve Force service.

If you experience, or have experienced, an injury or illness during your military service, be sure to have it documented by medical personnel, and request a copy for your own files. That record could be very important if the result of your injury or illness is a permanent disability.

Are you having trouble getting a civilian office to forward a file?

 

[schart28]

My problem is with CFMS, they will not treat me unless, while being on Class A, I provide civilian medical information, but then they do not want to pay the bills either. My condition is indicated in my military medical file but they wont do anything about it. I was on Class C back then. I am already pensioned by VAC, but the CF does not want anything to do about it.

Is there any obligation to provide civilian medical file?

On class C service then...
Did CFMS provide the referal, and are they paying the bills?
You'll want everything you can on your file then.

http://www.vac-acc.gc.ca/clients/SUB.CFM?source=forces/disa

Are you having trouble getting a civilian office to forward a file?

 

[George Wallace]

Let's stop right here and clear up something first.  What are you asking?  You are not asking anything about RESERVE CLASS A Service and Medical Care, so why do you have that TITLE? 

For the best of my knowledge, there is no Medical, nor Dental, benefits for CLASS A.

What should the title of this Topic really be?

 

[schart28]

I guess it should be Reserve Class A - Civilian Medical File.

There is medical benifits for Class A under certain conditions.

Let's stop right here and clear up something first.  What are you asking?  You are not asking anything about RESERVE CLASS A Service and Medical Care, so why do you have that TITLE? 

For the best of my knowledge, there is no Medical, nor Dental, benefits for CLASS A.

What should the title of this Topic really be?

 

[Petard]

I dunno George, I think I know where this fellah's coming from
Someone I know has returned from theatre (TSE) this past summer and is now back on class A, they're getting next to squat for medical assistance, and they need it but are getting resistance because they're "only" on class A now.
So...maybe the title is apropos?

 

[old medic]

schart,

Even if you are already drawing a VAC pension, the best thing you could do is ask to have those
documents put on your file. Keep copies of everything for your own file at home.

If VAC ever reviews the pension, it will be to your benefit.

    (example:  http://198.103.134.2/providers/sub.cfm?source=pro_research/gulfwarfilereview )

However, I'm still not sure what your asking in your first post. Do you want them on and your running
into resistance, or are you hinting that you don't want them on the file?

they will not treat me unless, while being on Class A, I provide civilian medical information

This would be correct. The system should not provide treatment if they never receive a report or update
on that treatment.   

 

[schart28]

My pension is based on my civilian information. They never, ever wanted to treat me in the past so I got help myself.
When I ask them if they will pay for my medical treatments etc, they say no! They will not even pay my visit to the civilian doctor to discuss the military consent form sent to my civilian doctor by the Med C SQFT. I will not provide them any info if they do not pay and in any case is there any regulation which says that I have to provide the information? The CF 98 guidelines indicates that there "may" be sharing of information. The MO never provided my civilian doctor my diagnosis they made and the follow up that was required back in 2003 and 2005.

The CFMS wants everthing but does not give out anything. I have a 5/5 disability and I am not even being compensated by the CF. When you become sick in the reg force, Class C or B, you are compensated but when you are in Class A and your injury was because of an operational theater your have nothing.

The worst in all of this is that the MO gave me a G6O6 category with only 10% of the information I gave him. Then when I was with the MO and Sgt Clinic, the Sgt told the MO in front of me that they would change the category because I would be paid if I stayed with a G6O6.

schart,

Even if you are already drawing a VAC pension, the best thing you could do is ask to have those
documents put on your file. Keep copies of everything for your own file at home.

If VAC ever reviews the pension, it will be to your benefit.

    (example:  http://198.103.134.2/providers/sub.cfm?source=pro_research/gulfwarfilereview )

However, I'm still not sure what your asking in your first post. Do you want them on and your running
into resistance, or are you hinting that you don't want them on the file?

This would be correct. The system should not provide treatment if they never receive a report or update
on that treatment.   

 

[geo]

Schart,

Have you made any attempt to get satisfaction by going thru "the centre"

If you are entitled to something, anything, they have a tendency of cutting to the chase and going to your area and getting the ball rolling.

You mention SQFT and you mention Comms Reserve....... so which are ya?
Comms in Quebec do not answer to SQFT

I am at the SQFT office that received and deals with reserve grievances and injury issues.  People injured on class C should not be a problem - VS those injuries suffered while on class A.

Please specify, maybe I can do something or suggest a couple of things

I need some forinstances though.......

 

[George Wallace]

As old medic said, keep copies for your records.  The MO and the Medics have no obligation to do any of this for you, but you are permitted to get copies.  You can request a copy of your Med File through the Freedom of Information Act, through an Advocate from the Legion (you have to sign a document permitting them to copy your files), or by going in yourself and copying it (Again you will have to sign a document permitting your access to the file.).  

These copies should help you with your future claims through DVA, or perhaps with your own Doctor.

 

[schart28]

Hi, Thanks for your concern. I know that Comms Res and SQFT does not match but since we are in the Montreal area, 712 Comm Sqn, we deal with SQFT for our medical (41 CF SVC C). The Centre did not help at all.  You may have seen my grievance go by. I was on Class C while I was injured, while it is not a physical injury but the problem is that I am now on Class A.

Schart,

Have you made any attempt to get satisfaction by going thru "the centre"

If you are entitled to something, anything, they have a tendency of cutting to the chase and going to your area and getting the ball rolling.

You mention SQFT and you mention Comms Reserve....... so which are ya?
Comms in Quebec do not answer to SQFT

I am at the SQFT office that received and deals with reserve grievances and injury issues.  People injured on class C should not be a problem - VS those injuries suffered while on class A.

Please specify, maybe I can do something or suggest a couple of things

I need some forinstances though.......

 

[schart28]

I do have a very recent copy of my med file. This is where I learned that the MO had diagnosed me with a condition he had not told me. This is where I also found out that there was a problem with a blood test, were action was required. They never told me about that.

I've been off work for over 13 months and with a VAC pension but a perfect medical category. The MO has all the info in my med file to see that there is something very wrong but they do not want to acknowledge it.

As old medic said, keep copies for your records.  The MO and the Medics have no obligation to do any of this for you, but you are permitted to get copies.  You can request a copy of your Med File through the Freedom of Information Act, through an Advocate from the Legion (you have to sign a document permitting them to copy your files), or by going in yourself and copying it (Again you will have to sign a document permitting your access to the file.).  

These copies should help you with your future claims through DVA, or perhaps with your own Doctor.

 

[Nemo888]

Get photocopies of everything they have and keep them someplace safe, that is your legal right. Things often conveniently get lost.
Good luck to you though. I also suggest you contact the ombudsman.

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/mediaRoom/newsReleases/2006/06-06_e.asp#Investigation

Be tenacious and tactful, you can break them down eventually. They are hoping you will just go away, if they know you won't you may get somewhere.

 

[schart28]

The Ombudsman can't help since I have a grievance in progress. Thanks for your concern. I only want what I deserve to get, no more and certainly no less.

Get photocopies of everything they have and keep them someplace safe, that is your legal right. Things often conveniently get lost.
Good luck to you though. I also suggest you contact the ombudsman.

http://www.ombudsman.forces.gc.ca/mediaRoom/newsReleases/2006/06-06_e.asp#Investigation

Be tenacious and tactful, you can break them down eventually. They are hoping you will just go away, if they know you won't you may get somewhere.

 

[geo]

Schart,

I deal with reservist grievances & injury compensation claims for troops that belong to SQFT only.  Do not see grievances that deal with Comms Res, Nav Res, Med Res and Air Res.... sigh.... (business is actualy slow)

I presume you submitted grievance to 712 CO and he has acknowledger receipt and claimed that he is not the IA and has sent the grievance to 71 Comm group CO and he has acknowledger receipt and claimed that he is not the IA and has sent the grievance to Comm res HQ and Comms CO has acknowledger receipt and claimed that he is not the IA and has sent the grievance to Landforces HQ or Cdn Expeditionary HQ or CDS as the IA............... 

excluding the CDS & the grievance authority, the IA has an obligation to give you prompt attention.  Come back to you with an answer within 60 days of his acknowledging the grievance.... else he must ask for reasonnable extensions & provide you with a basic Sitrep as the grievance works its way thru the system... at any time in this process you can deny the extension request and the grievance will be passed on to the next level.... which might be the CDS / grievance authority... where there is no time limit .......

At the very end, there is always the possibility of going to your MP (hey, you're a reservist), make him work for his keep.... ELSE, you can always resort to going to the press.... which is something that I would only recommend as a very last resort.

 

[schart28]

Actually the IA is the DGHS. The IA has not given any response yet. Its been over four months and no response from the IA, not even an acknowledgement receipt from his part. The only thing I know is that JAG is involved. I am not sure if that's good or not. Thanks for the grievance process information. Its helpfull and compliments the grievance manual. The MP can't do anything since there is a grievance in the works.

I guess the press would be the last resort. I am not sure where you live but we, montreal area, have been having a few soldiers and veterans in the press lately. In one case, the PM got involved when this came up in a Parliament session.

Schart,

Deal with reservist grievances & injury compensation claims for troops that belong to SQFT only.  Do not see grievances that deal with Comms Res, Nav Res, Med Res and Air Res.... sigh.... (business is actualy slow)

I presume you submitted grievance to 712 CO and he has acknowledger receipt and claimed that he is not the IA and has sent the grievance to 71 Comm group CO and he has acknowledger receipt and claimed that he is not the IA and has sent the grievance to Comm res HQ and Comms CO has acknowledger receipt and claimed that he is not the IA and has sent the grievance to Landforces HQ or Cdn Expeditionary HQ or CDS as the IA............... 

excluding the CDS & the grievance authority, the IA has an obligation to give you prompt attention.  Come back to you with an answer within 60 days of his acknowledging the grievance.... else he must ask for reasonnable extensions & provide you with a basic Sitrep as the grievance works its way thru the system... at any time in this process you can deny the extension request and the grievance will be passed on to the next level.... which might be the CDS / grievance authority... where there is no time limit .......

At the very end, there is always the possibility of going to your MP (hey, you're a reservist), make him work for his keep.... ELSE, you can always resort to going to the press.... which is something that I would only recommend as a very last resort.

 

[geo]

DGHS - health services?......  how are they the IA?
doesn't make sense cause you did not work for them, you do not belong to them.  Health services (or lack thereof) may come into play but, they should not be the IA.


The IA must acknowledge receipt.
Ask your Adjt  to follow up with the Initial authority... tell em you are entitled to an acknowledgement - and want to ensure the "timer" gets set properly.

AJAG would be involved if they feel they have to consult regulations to ensure you get everything you are entitled to.... nothing more, nothing less. I wouldn't be overly concerned about it.

Get the OR to follow up with your IA - Pronto!

 

[captainj]

Geo

I too am a little confused. As a guy who is a Reservist and was severly injured while on tour VAC have been nothing but first class. In point of fact better than first class. As I understand it if the "injury" occurred while in theatre the CF is on the hook in any case. I must confess I am on contract and not on Class A service. However I know a few chaps who are on Class A and VAC and the CF are looking after them. Heck even if the CF will not look after him VAC will so long as the treatment is in relation to the pensionable issue. This sounds like a leadership issue to me someone needs to assist Schart  and hold the system accountable. Shart email me if you want as I am a bit of a para legal re VAC and know a couple of people who may assist.............................

Captain J