Reversion in rank, PLQ, compassionate status

[Sea King Tech]

Hello, two questions.
1.  Are there any references out there saying in black and white that you have two years from being promoted to A/L MCPL to complete or be loaded on your PLQ or you risk having your leaf taken away.  I can find lots of info on reversion, course failures and the like, but I cannot find anything saying two years specifically.

2. When you are on compassionate status are the aforementioned 2 years (if they exist) frozen, thereby giving you a buffer.  Lets say I was promoted April 1st, 2008 and go on compassionate status for six months.  Do I now have an extra six months added onto my alloted time and now have until Oct 2010. 

CFAO's, QR&O's, DAOD's do not address this specifically.

 

[Biohazardxj]

Hi,

For your first question:  It is in the CFAO under promotions NCM. In one of the tables to an annex.  I'm at home right now so I don't have access to my pubs or I would give you exact ref.

For the second question:  While on compassionate status you can not be promoted, posted, or sent on a career course.  I am 99% sure that time on compassionate status is not held against you for promotion.  So, once the compassionate status has been lifted and you meet all other prerequisites, you can be promoted.  Again I can't provided the ref right now. 

I can give them to you tomorrow if you want though.

Cheers

 

[dapaterson]

CFAO 49-4 Annex C, as I recall.  In theory, once promoted A/L, you should be loaded on the next available course that you require to be promoted (in this case PLQ).  However, as already stated, the compassionate status means you can't be sent on a course.

The CFAO stipulates that after 18 months the career shop is supposed to start paying attention; I'm not certain where the 2 year rule comes from.  I looked and could not find the CANFORGEN on acting promotions - I think it was sometime in the late 90s; but there is a CANFORGEN discussing A/L and A/WSE.

 

[Sea King Tech]

SGT-RMSCLerk,

I would appreciate any references that you could provide.  You can put it on this forum if you like.  That way others can see it as well.  FYI, spouse is an RMS clerk too.  The wide array of foreign postings is awesome.  We are trying to both get to the GK-Brunssum area.  Maybe two years from now.

I appreciate your prompt responces, from both of you.

 

[CountDC]

another point to consider in CFAO 49-4 it also states:

14.    A member's acting rank or appointment may be revoked and the member reverted to substantive rank by NDHQ/DPCOR as the result of CRB action effective the date when:

    a.  the member fails to qualify on the first attempt to attain the required qualification;

    b.  the member declines, or is unavailable, for personal reasons, to attend the required formal course;

    c.  the member's medical limitations precludes attendance on a course required for rank or MOC progression; or

    d.  such other circumstances warrant revocation that do not fall within the provisions of paragraph 13 of this Annex.

seems to me that para b could be used against a mbr on compassionate status if the course was available to them during that period.

I remember around 94 (?) that there was 2 MP AL/WOs at LFAA I had to do a request for extension on qualifying period as the course they needed was not offered during that period and they were concerned that at the 2 year mark they would be made to drop the rank. I think the 2 year comes from the CFAO states at 18 months DPCAOR is supposed to review the AL promotion and then every 6 months after that (18 +6 gives the 2 years).

 

[Biohazardxj]

CFAO 49-4 Para 18 address the compassionate status issue
CFAO 49-4 annex C para 14 talks about the relinquishment of an AL Rank.  Mainly because of conduct, medical, mbr refusal.

So basically if you able and willing to do your PLQ and by no fault of your own cant get on a course for more than two years you wont lose the rank. 

 

[CountDC]

CFAO 49-4 Para 18 address the compassionate status issue
CFAO 49-4 annex C para 14 talks about the relinquishment of an AL Rank.  Mainly because of conduct, medical, mbr refusal.

So basically if you able and willing to do your PLQ and by no fault of your own cant get on a course for more than two years you wont lose the rank.   

Para 18 does cover compassionate status in regards to future promotions but  not retaining AL rank.  Annex C 14(b) is in regards to revoking of AL and states if mbr is unable to attend for personal reasons which is usually the case in a compassionate status.  Not saying it should be used but it could be. With this the answer to number 2 of the original questions is no - the time alloted to get your qual is not frozen and extended due to your compassionate status.