Romeo Dallaire
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I finished the book a few weeks ago. I was also at USMC C&SC Quantico in 97 when he was gave a presentation to our year about his operation. It's a powerful story, and IMHO a huge illustration of that old saying: "all that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing". The rest of the world, including the UN, did nothing. Cheers.
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I can't seem to find it in tonight's listings..
Regardless, it will be playing at the University of Alberta this Weds, at 1700 as a part of the 'international week', so I'll be checking it out then.
If you're in the Edmonton area and want to check it out, here's the specific info. http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/events/details.cfm?ID_event=3527
I'm actually 3/4s of the way through the book right now..
Regardless, it will be playing at the University of Alberta this Weds, at 1700 as a part of the 'international week', so I'll be checking it out then.
If you're in the Edmonton area and want to check it out, here's the specific info. http://www.uofaweb.ualberta.ca/events/details.cfm?ID_event=3527
I'm actually 3/4s of the way through the book right now..
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Initially just a couple of staff officers and some airlift. Once the fighting and murdering was mostly over, we contributed an HQ and Sigs Sqn, airlift and some other supporting elements. When the actual crisis was on, we did very little, as you will discover. During his presentation at Quantico, MGen Dallaire told us that if he could have had just one battalion of trusty, professional Canadian infantrymen under his command he could have changed things. You could debate the proposed outcome but not the sentiment. It was not exactly a shining hour for us, nor for the rest of the Western world.
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With the situation in the Sudan right now this piece could not come at a better time. Maybe someone will wake up so something like this does not happen again.
As for the Belgian senator, what a numpty. To say that the women did not know how to contact him. Have they never heard of Google? I did some searching of the net and have found more than a few references that would have made locating him quite easy. I don't think anyone at that conference was impressed.
Other than Dallaire of course, I was most impressed with the President during the memorial ceremony as well as the story of the Tutsis that survived for more than three months in the woods.
As for Dallaire saying a plt of Cdn could have made a difference, it is debatable, but it seems that the Hutus were focusing their rage directly on the Belgians. The Canadians may have had a better chance if only because they lack a history with the country. Similar to the Congo right now. Should the UN keep the French in or maybe send another country that does not have such a storied past with the country in conflict?
As for the Belgian senator, what a numpty. To say that the women did not know how to contact him. Have they never heard of Google? I did some searching of the net and have found more than a few references that would have made locating him quite easy. I don't think anyone at that conference was impressed.
Other than Dallaire of course, I was most impressed with the President during the memorial ceremony as well as the story of the Tutsis that survived for more than three months in the woods.
As for Dallaire saying a plt of Cdn could have made a difference, it is debatable, but it seems that the Hutus were focusing their rage directly on the Belgians. The Canadians may have had a better chance if only because they lack a history with the country. Similar to the Congo right now. Should the UN keep the French in or maybe send another country that does not have such a storied past with the country in conflict?
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That Senator Did a Disgusting thing. but he's a politician. I expect nothing less then that.
After watching that, I am going to make a point to go out and get his book.
I'm speechless as well... and shocked and appalled that we, as a society did nothing, that the UN did nothing. that it all could have been stopped, yet, nothing....
May God Give Him the Peace he needs... though hopefully this documentary and his book will help to bring some sort of closure to him. And I thank him for showing us just how true the saying "The only way for evil to prevail is when good men/women do nothing." And unfortunately too many did nothing, and Hundreds of Thousands of innocent people paid a horrible horrible price.
After watching that, I am going to make a point to go out and get his book.
I'm speechless as well... and shocked and appalled that we, as a society did nothing, that the UN did nothing. that it all could have been stopped, yet, nothing....
May God Give Him the Peace he needs... though hopefully this documentary and his book will help to bring some sort of closure to him. And I thank him for showing us just how true the saying "The only way for evil to prevail is when good men/women do nothing." And unfortunately too many did nothing, and Hundreds of Thousands of innocent people paid a horrible horrible price.
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Im half way through the book right now and im really looking forward to seeing the movie. I think this is the second time ive missed it now, guess im gonna have to keep my eye on the tv guide
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He truly epitomizes for me everything that used to make Canada great. And everyone I know who has met him or heard him talk say they had been changed. I read his book last winter just after both my parents died and my fifteen-year marriage crumbled. An odd thing - the book affected me more than my life circumstances. When I finished the book, I felt so helpless I wanted to crawl under a rock and die.
Yeah, we can only hope that, eventhough the UN watered down their report for Darfur and refused to declare it a genocide, the UN at least acknowledges genocidal events have occurred. Unfortunately, the US doesn't want those alleged of crimes against humanity to be tries in the International Criminal Court because of their current boycot of the ICC. They're even willing to foot a large chunk of the bill to create a special tribunal in Africa to handle these matters, if other rich nations will help out as well. They'll do anything to avoid giving any strength to the ICC, fearing some of their soldiers (or worse, politicians God forbid) may end up there. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4226067.stm)
I didn't get to see the Passionate Eye because I don't have a TV anymore. How did Dallaire look? How are his spirits these days? He went through so much, isolated from any support beyond what he had at hand, and saw so many tragedies, I don't know how anyone can come out with their sanity intact.
I have to add that I lost a lot of respect for how the UN processes can be manipulated by the permanent members. As well, France and Belgium dropped value with me. Why on earth do we allow former colonialist nations to come to the "aid" of their former colonies. I felt so bad for the Belgian soldiers who came under attack in Rwanda only to later read how racist some of them were behaving.
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Yeah, we can only hope that, eventhough the UN watered down their report for Darfur and refused to declare it a genocide, the UN at least acknowledges genocidal events have occurred. Unfortunately, the US doesn't want those alleged of crimes against humanity to be tries in the International Criminal Court because of their current boycot of the ICC. They're even willing to foot a large chunk of the bill to create a special tribunal in Africa to handle these matters, if other rich nations will help out as well. They'll do anything to avoid giving any strength to the ICC, fearing some of their soldiers (or worse, politicians God forbid) may end up there. (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/4226067.stm)
I didn't get to see the Passionate Eye because I don't have a TV anymore. How did Dallaire look? How are his spirits these days? He went through so much, isolated from any support beyond what he had at hand, and saw so many tragedies, I don't know how anyone can come out with their sanity intact.
I have to add that I lost a lot of respect for how the UN processes can be manipulated by the permanent members. As well, France and Belgium dropped value with me. Why on earth do we allow former colonialist nations to come to the "aid" of their former colonies. I felt so bad for the Belgian soldiers who came under attack in Rwanda only to later read how racist some of them were behaving.
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GonzoScribe
Why do people admire this guy so much?
If you want other countries to support your ideas you do not go around insulting them and saying that they only get involved because they have a certain religoius belief.
"Uh hi my name is Romeo Dallaire and I hate you and everything you stand for wanna come help us fight a bunch of wars in Africa."
You can't have it both ways Dallaire. You either pick a side or your on your own.
If you want other countries to support your ideas you do not go around insulting them and saying that they only get involved because they have a certain religoius belief.
"Uh hi my name is Romeo Dallaire and I hate you and everything you stand for wanna come help us fight a bunch of wars in Africa."
You can't have it both ways Dallaire. You either pick a side or your on your own.
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Ghost said:
You need to get your head out of your ass. You obviously lack any sort of intelligence to even post that here. This man saw more death and destruction that probably any of us will in our lives and he fought, is still fighting to try and make sure it doesnt happen again. Not to mention the fact he is fughting his own personal battle to try and heal the scars he is left with. You're a sorry excuse for a human being.
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camochick said:
Tone it down camochick or you'll be out of here. Ghost is entitled to an opinion. You, however, are not entitled to make personal attacks.
Refute his points, or move on. Ghost is not the only person I've seen subject Mr. Dallaire to scrutiny - a search of the forum will reveal that.
Ghost - Daillaire didn't immediately "insult" the foreign powers... he did so AFTER they told him (and Rwanda) to take a hike.
Also, I dont think it should have bene him petitioning... the UN shouldnt be about wrangling something out of the bureaucracy, it should be about IMO more about getting things done.
But thats just pipedream speak.
Also, I dont think it should have bene him petitioning... the UN shouldnt be about wrangling something out of the bureaucracy, it should be about IMO more about getting things done.
But thats just pipedream speak.
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Sorry if i was personally attacking someone I guess i didn't really realize thats what i was doing. I just think it's funny how people can criticize a man who is trying to make a difference in the world. The world failed the people in Rwanda. Turning a blind eye to anybody in that situation is a crime against humanity. I was sickened and saddened by what I saw in the documentary. I have seen another one that was way more graphic and those images are forever embedded in my mind. I guess I cant see why anyone who has never been there can pass judgement on that man. If only we could live in his head for a day I bet people wouldn't be so quick to Criticize.
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camochick said:
You know for sure he did all the right things in Rwanda? I know nothing about it, so I'm not inclined to pass judgement either way. Some of the criticisms I've seen in past threads seemed valid, but I have no way of knowing how truthful they might be. An open mind is a good thing.
You've effectively demonstrated how propaganda is used. One or two images of dead or maimed children/civilians etc. and you want to go attack someone/something. People like Joseph Goebbels have historically used those gut reactions to good effect. It's how Germany got away with what it did to 12 million Holocaust victims. I would be surprised if the Rwandan murderers had not been subjected to similar forms of propaganda themselves.
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Ghost, althoug i will not get into anything personal, i have to be suspicious of the opinions of a person who choses to hide behind an empty profile. To me you sound american, would i be correct. Regardless you demonstrate that you have no knowledge of the events leading to, and following the Rwandan masacre. Gen. Dallaire's contetion is that it is the west's lack of empathy and the fact that Rwanda had no strategic value to the major powers that lead them not to intervene. I beleive that he is correct in his assertion. You should be more aware of the chain of events before makin comments that are less then constructive. I admire the man because he tried in every way possible to stop the genocide and had the "testicular fortitude" to say that the UN and the western world let it happen. The only thing that your comments demostrated to me is your lack of insight, understanding and your lack of capability to criticaly analyse the situation.
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