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Royal Marines arrested in murder inquiry

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11 October 2012 Last updated at 16:58 ET

Royal Marines arrested in murder inquiry


Seven Royal Marines have been arrested on suspicion of murder, the Ministry of Defence has said.

In a statement it said the arrests by the Royal Military Police related to an incident in Afghanistan last year.

It said the incident followed an "engagement with an insurgent" and no civilians were involved.

BBC defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said it was the first time UK servicemen had been arrested on such charges during the conflict.

An MoD spokesman said: "The Royal Military Police have arrested seven Royal Marines on suspicion of murder. The arrests relate to an incident in Afghanistan in 2011.

"The incident followed an engagement with an insurgent; there were no civilians involved. The investigation will now be taken forward and dealt with by the service justice system.

"These arrests demonstrate the Department and the Armed Forces' determination to ensure UK personnel act in accordance with their rules of engagement and our standards.

"It would be inappropriate to make any further comment while the investigation is under way."

The statement did not name the marines or give any further details of the incident.
 
2ndChoiceName said:
Not a whole lot of info,


Well this is all pretty recent,  and it is an ongoing investigation.  Give it a week+ and you will probably see a lot more information coming out.

2ndChoiceName said:
keep us posted.

I'm not going to be on this story 24/7 and posting every update.. you can check the BBC site on your own.. if you see an update feel free to post it.
 
Yeah, I didn't mean keep us posted as in "stay on bbc.com 24/7", but more of a friendly "if you hear anything...."

Sorry,

-2C
 
http://www.ctvnews.ca/world/5-u-k-marines-charged-with-murder-in-afghan-death-1.995084

5 U.K. marines charged with murder in Afghan death


The Associated Press
Published Sunday, Oct. 14, 2012 7:32AM EDT
LONDON -- Five Royal Marines have been charged with murder over a death in Afghanistan last year, Britain's Ministry of Defence said Sunday. They are the first British troops to be charged with murder in the country since deployments began in 2001.
The five are among nine marines arrested -- seven on Thursday and two in the last 48 hours. Four have been released without charge.
Officials have said the incident involved an "engagement with an insurgent" in Helmand province, where the majority of Britain's 9,500 troops in Afghanistan are deployed. They say no civilians were involved.
The BBC and other outlets reported that the arrests stemmed from video footage found on the laptop of a British serviceman who had been arrested on an unrelated charge.
The Ministry of Defence said the cases had been referred to the Service Prosecuting Authority, which oversees military trials. The ministry said the suspects, who have not been named, were in custody.
Even though the incident does not involve a civilian, the case could cause a backlash from Afghans and further erode efforts to provide political stability to Afghanistan.
The brigade believed to be involved in the incident, 3 Commando, was in the thick of the fighting with Taliban insurgents during its deployment last year to Helmand, which lies in Afghanistan's south. Seven members of the brigade were killed during the tour of duty between April and October 2011.
British troops operate under rules of engagement, largely derived from the Geneva Convention, that dictate under what circumstances they are allowed to open fire.
"Everybody serving in theatre knows the rules of engagement," Defense Secretary Philip Hammond said Sunday, vowing that "any abuse will be dealt with."
Experts say the military has been strict about enforcing the rules after a disastrous period in Iraq, where there were multiple allegations of torture and abuse by British troops.
The most notorious case involved a hotel receptionist, Baha Mousa, who died while in custody at a British base after being detained in a raid in Basra in September 2003. Britain's defense authorities later apologized for the mistreatment of Mousa and nine other Iraqis and paid a $4.8 million settlement. Six soldiers were cleared of wrongdoing at a court martial, while another pleaded guilty and served a year in jail.
 
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19918398

12 October 2012 Last updated at 12:05 ET
Royal Marines arrested in murder inquiry

Seven Royal Marines have been arrested on suspicion of murder, the Ministry of Defence has said.

The arrests by the Royal Military Police related to an incident in Afghanistan last year, when 3 Commando Brigade was based in Helmand.

The MoD said the incident followed an "engagement with an insurgent" and no civilians were involved.

It is thought it is the first time UK servicemen have been arrested on such charges during the conflict.

An MoD spokesman said: "The investigation will now be taken forward and dealt with by the service justice system.

"These arrests demonstrate the Department and the Armed Forces' determination to ensure UK personnel act in accordance with their rules of engagement and our standards.

"It would be inappropriate to make any further comment while the investigation is under way."

The BBC's Jonathan Beale said the military legal process was similar to any other criminal investigation, which meant the Royal Military Police can question servicemen for a set period of time - normally 24 hours - although it could be extended.

If charges are brought the case will be referred to the Director of Service Prosecutions, who will have to decide whether there is sufficient evidence to proceed to trial by court martial.

A court martial has similar powers to a Crown Court and could sentence anyone accused of murder up to life in prison.

The Afghan Defence Ministry's spokesman, General Zahir Azimi, welcomed the MoD's announcement and underlined the need for British and Nato forces to respect the laws of war.

'Careless attitudes'
Speaking to the BBC's Pashto Service he said: "One of the reasons for high numbers of civilian casualties is that foreign troops and others are careless."

Such incidents would go down in number, he added, if the law was "implemented" properly and "those involved in careless attitudes towards civilians face courts".

He said he was unaware of the further details about incident.

The armed forces' rules of engagement stipulate under what circumstances British forces are allowed to open fire, either in direct contact with the enemy or to prevent an imminent attack.

BBC defence correspondent Caroline Wyatt said troops often faced making split-second decisions and knew they might be prosecuted if they made mistakes or acted beyond that remit.

The rules are very rarely made public, because the armed forces do not want insurgents to know more than they already do about the circumstances under which UK service personnel are permitted to fire on them or respond with force.

Insurgencies were hard to fight because of the ease with which enemy fighters could drop their weapons and switch in an instant from armed insurgent to blending in with the civilian population, our correspondent said.

The MoD said that as with any serious incident of this nature, there would be an internal review to identify lessons learned.

Some 23 servicemen from 3 Commando Brigade lost their lives in 2011 during a summer tour of duty that encompassed the height of the fighting season, while many more were injured.

Altogether, they conducted 41,000 patrols after taking over command of Task Force Helmand in April that year - the fourth time that 3 Commando Brigade had deployed on Operation Herrick in Afghanistan.

'Doing the right thing'

Professor Michael Clarke, director general of the Royal United Services Institute, said the case could have a serious impact on Britain's standing in Afghanistan.

He said: "There is no doubt about it, this is politically damaging because we're not talking about an individual case here.

"Last year, there was a case of a soldier shooting someone and a soldier stabbing someone - those are individual cases and you will get that just on the law of averages in combat zones.

"But this is seven people, a unit, a group of marines who are very highly trained."

Prof Clarke added that marines were generally regarded as an elite force who had a "very good record in Afghanistan".

"So the fact that this is seven people and it's an incident means it will cause some political embarrassment I think. So I guess the MoD is trying to keep control over the story, but I think they are obviously doing the right thing."

The MoD is now likely to be liaising with 4 Mechanized Brigade, the UK force now in command of Task Force Helmand, to ensure that all necessary force protection measures are taken in case there is a reaction in Helmand to the news of the arrests on suspicion of murder.

Defence sources are keen to stress that the vast majority of UK forces in Helmand have conducted themselves according to the standards expected of them, our correspondent added.

However, with tensions still high after the recent anti-Islam video released in the USA, troops currently serving in Afghanistan will be on alert, as the Taliban could use the arrests to try to bolster support for the insurgency.
 
Shades of our recent "wounded Talib" trial coming I fear.  My sympathies lie with the Squaddies.  :yellow:
 
jollyjacktar said:
Shades of our recent "wounded Talib" trial coming I fear.  My sympathies lie with the Squaddies.  :yellow:

Goodness gracious... the bootnecks would have a spasm if you called them that. Then again, that would be a good idea  ;D
 
True, true.  My bad.  I do hope that no bootnecks were harmed with my endorsement.  :D
 
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