Russia claims North Pole,sends sub to plant Flag at Poles bottom
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It should be left alone of course, but power and money hungry people won't leave it alone so we have to look towards the obvious fact that one of the countries will own it now, that's a fact. It's like people who wish war didn't exist in one form or another, it's a nice optimistic view on life realities but it will never happen.
That aside, we can either let a huge destructive brute in our backyard (who for now is playing the weak card, but I can rest assured knowing they are more powerful and have much more than we credit them with...) or stake a claim ourselves. That said again, I think the thought of "sharing" a claim for mutual protection and benefits here is more appealing in all aspects than having Russians in my backyard. Canada needs to assert itself on this one. No doubts about it.
That aside, we can either let a huge destructive brute in our backyard (who for now is playing the weak card, but I can rest assured knowing they are more powerful and have much more than we credit them with...) or stake a claim ourselves. That said again, I think the thought of "sharing" a claim for mutual protection and benefits here is more appealing in all aspects than having Russians in my backyard. Canada needs to assert itself on this one. No doubts about it.
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karl28 said:
Just trying to beat the peacenik opposition parties to the punch... I 'm actually surprised the current PC atmosphere hasnt caused them to be renamed that already!
Hey if we were to measure 200 meter out from the huge solid landmass that is Canada wouldn't the first Island be in that measurement? and if so couldn't you continuously measure out 200 meters and in the end wouldn't all the islands legaly belong to canada? And if that were to happen then (if the government wasn't run by wimps) we could tell the Russians that an incursion into Canadian waters could be seen as an act of war?? And i'm willing to bet the Americans would love another shot at the Russians. 
By the way this is being discussed on another website - an interesting map is shown http://cominganarchy.com/2007/07/21/russias-arctic-claim/ It seems the biggest territorial loss from Canada - Denmark and UN's proposal as compared to Russia - Norway's proposal is to the benefit - not of Russia - but to the USA.
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Good map! I note the Canadian / Denmark proposal is one of the more accepted versions that has been in practical use for many a year (following lines of longitude)...
If you read the comments on that site with the map, you'll find out the map on the page is wrong, the longitudinal division is what Russia/Norway want, its better to look at the original source
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/09/international/20051010_ARCTIC_GRAPHIC_2.html
http://www.nytimes.com/imagepages/2005/10/09/international/20051010_ARCTIC_GRAPHIC_2.html
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adaminc said:
Good call! It is wrong compared to your source.
It would appear then that the Russia/Norway version is the one most refered to...
Another bit of interesting news on the topic.
http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=16424&group=General
So it seems that a Russian television station used pictures from Titanic in lieu of any actual photographic evidence.
http://newsroom.finland.fi/stt/showarticle.asp?intNWSAID=16424&group=General
So it seems that a Russian television station used pictures from Titanic in lieu of any actual photographic evidence.
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the usual disclaimer:
should/maybe covered by our MSM when they wake up( figuratively and literally)
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=167216&version=1&template_id=43&parent_id=19
Canada troopers assert Arctic sovereigntyPublished: Friday, 17 August, 2007, 01:27 AM Doha Time
By Michel Comte aboard the HMCS Fredericton
THE largest ever military exercise in the Arctic is underway this week to firm Canada’s disputed claim to this lonely region. “It’s a sovereignty operation” to counter grabs by Russia, Denmark, Norway and the US, Brigadier-General Chris Whitecross, commander of Joint Task Force North, told AFP.
Each nation is claiming flaps of Arctic seabed, believed to hold 25% of the world’s undiscovered oil and gas reserves. All of them, including its allies, deny Ottawa’s hold on the famed Northwest Passage.
Of late, the international rivalry has heated up, with Russia planting a flag at the North Pole and Denmark reportedly on its way, as melting polar ice caps make the region more accessible to economic activity and shipping.
As part of Canada’s “Operation Nanook”, Aurora surveillance aircraft track the wayward ship Rusty Bucket and its connecting flight smuggling narcotics from Mexico into Quebec, via an abandoned runway on Resolution Island in the Arctic.
In the Hudson Straight, the Navy submarine Cornerbrook shadows the vessel, waiting for the patrol frigate HMCS Fredericton and Coast Guard vessel Martha L Black to intercept it, while CF-18 Hornet fighter jets force the aircraft to land in nearby Iqaluit.
There, Inuit rangers and Royal Canadian Mounted Police pounce, while Navy seamen armed with automatic weapons zip across icy waters in inflatable Zodiacs and board the target ship, search it for contraband and arrest its Turkish captain.
“We’re here to show the world we’ll be watching if they trespass on Canada’s Arctic,” says Al Fry, HMCS Fredericton’s executive officer.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has vowed to “vigorously protect” Canada’s interests in the North, “as international interest in the region increases”.
Last week, he announced Canada’s first deep sea port and military base in the Arctic Circle, as well as six to eight new ice-breaking patrol ships to prevent encroachment on its northern frontier.
Arctic trespass is actually rare, even more so undetected. “There are vast uninhabited regions of the Arctic,” said Brigadier-General Whitecross. “But our (1,500 Inuit) rangers do notice passing ships or strange tracks in the snow.” Radar, and soon unmanned surveillance flights, would cover gaps, she added.
In 2006, a US submarine passed unannounced through Arctic waters claimed by Canada, causing a diplomatic row.
The same year, a Romanian man landed in Grise Fiord, Canada’s northernmost town, after a 1,000km trip from Greenland in a tiny motorboat, its propeller bent and windshield smashed by waves.
Two Turkish sailors also jumped ship in Churchill, Manitoba, claiming refugee status after being nabbed by a rail ticket clerk.
Meanwhile, US oil firms are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on exploration in the Beaufort Sea, and South Korea is dramatically expanding its ice-breaker-building capacity.
“There’s going to be a lot more people doing a lot more things in the Arctic,” said Robert Huebert, an Arctic geopolitics expert at Calgary University. “The world is coming to the Arctic.” “If push comes to shove, it all comes down to control,” he said. “We need to be ready to claim what we want to control and show that we can control what we claim.” “Nations could agree to co-operate in the Arctic, but increasingly, each is acting on their own. So Canada should prepare for unsettled weather ahead.”
“Operation Nanook”, the military’s first major push north, was plagued by equipment failures and storms causing delays.
Communications systems did not work as well in the Arctic Circle, fog cut visibility and travel, and frostbite and hypothermia were constant threats. “You have to do things in a very deliberate manner,” explained Whitecross.
At the southern tip of Baffin Island, commanders fretted about icebergs, 10m waves and predators such as polar bears.
“It’s much different operating in these parts because we’re dealing with severe weather,” said Whitecross. “The environment is far more fragile, far more hostile.”
“With temperatures of -50 (degrees Celsius) to -75 (degrees Celsius) in winter, you can’t just issue a parka and a really good pair of boots, mitts and a hat, and say (to troops), ‘Go north.’” Huebert suggested Canada would not be fully Arctic capable until 2025-2030.
Of note, HMCS Fredericton is usually tasked with securing Canada’s Atlantic Coast. Its 225 crew sailed here from the Caribbean, where it was training alongside the US Navy last week. “The 50-degree change in temperature was a bit of a shock,” said one sailor, tanned, looking out at the starkly quiet, cold shores of Baffin Island
should/maybe covered by our MSM when they wake up( figuratively and literally)
http://www.gulf-times.com/site/topics/article.asp?cu_no=2&item_no=167216&version=1&template_id=43&parent_id=19
Canada troopers assert Arctic sovereigntyPublished: Friday, 17 August, 2007, 01:27 AM Doha Time
By Michel Comte aboard the HMCS Fredericton
THE largest ever military exercise in the Arctic is underway this week to firm Canada’s disputed claim to this lonely region. “It’s a sovereignty operation” to counter grabs by Russia, Denmark, Norway and the US, Brigadier-General Chris Whitecross, commander of Joint Task Force North, told AFP.
Each nation is claiming flaps of Arctic seabed, believed to hold 25% of the world’s undiscovered oil and gas reserves. All of them, including its allies, deny Ottawa’s hold on the famed Northwest Passage.
Of late, the international rivalry has heated up, with Russia planting a flag at the North Pole and Denmark reportedly on its way, as melting polar ice caps make the region more accessible to economic activity and shipping.
As part of Canada’s “Operation Nanook”, Aurora surveillance aircraft track the wayward ship Rusty Bucket and its connecting flight smuggling narcotics from Mexico into Quebec, via an abandoned runway on Resolution Island in the Arctic.
In the Hudson Straight, the Navy submarine Cornerbrook shadows the vessel, waiting for the patrol frigate HMCS Fredericton and Coast Guard vessel Martha L Black to intercept it, while CF-18 Hornet fighter jets force the aircraft to land in nearby Iqaluit.
There, Inuit rangers and Royal Canadian Mounted Police pounce, while Navy seamen armed with automatic weapons zip across icy waters in inflatable Zodiacs and board the target ship, search it for contraband and arrest its Turkish captain.
“We’re here to show the world we’ll be watching if they trespass on Canada’s Arctic,” says Al Fry, HMCS Fredericton’s executive officer.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper has vowed to “vigorously protect” Canada’s interests in the North, “as international interest in the region increases”.
Last week, he announced Canada’s first deep sea port and military base in the Arctic Circle, as well as six to eight new ice-breaking patrol ships to prevent encroachment on its northern frontier.
Arctic trespass is actually rare, even more so undetected. “There are vast uninhabited regions of the Arctic,” said Brigadier-General Whitecross. “But our (1,500 Inuit) rangers do notice passing ships or strange tracks in the snow.” Radar, and soon unmanned surveillance flights, would cover gaps, she added.
In 2006, a US submarine passed unannounced through Arctic waters claimed by Canada, causing a diplomatic row.
The same year, a Romanian man landed in Grise Fiord, Canada’s northernmost town, after a 1,000km trip from Greenland in a tiny motorboat, its propeller bent and windshield smashed by waves.
Two Turkish sailors also jumped ship in Churchill, Manitoba, claiming refugee status after being nabbed by a rail ticket clerk.
Meanwhile, US oil firms are spending hundreds of millions of dollars on exploration in the Beaufort Sea, and South Korea is dramatically expanding its ice-breaker-building capacity.
“There’s going to be a lot more people doing a lot more things in the Arctic,” said Robert Huebert, an Arctic geopolitics expert at Calgary University. “The world is coming to the Arctic.” “If push comes to shove, it all comes down to control,” he said. “We need to be ready to claim what we want to control and show that we can control what we claim.” “Nations could agree to co-operate in the Arctic, but increasingly, each is acting on their own. So Canada should prepare for unsettled weather ahead.”
“Operation Nanook”, the military’s first major push north, was plagued by equipment failures and storms causing delays.
Communications systems did not work as well in the Arctic Circle, fog cut visibility and travel, and frostbite and hypothermia were constant threats. “You have to do things in a very deliberate manner,” explained Whitecross.
At the southern tip of Baffin Island, commanders fretted about icebergs, 10m waves and predators such as polar bears.
“It’s much different operating in these parts because we’re dealing with severe weather,” said Whitecross. “The environment is far more fragile, far more hostile.”
“With temperatures of -50 (degrees Celsius) to -75 (degrees Celsius) in winter, you can’t just issue a parka and a really good pair of boots, mitts and a hat, and say (to troops), ‘Go north.’” Huebert suggested Canada would not be fully Arctic capable until 2025-2030.
Of note, HMCS Fredericton is usually tasked with securing Canada’s Atlantic Coast. Its 225 crew sailed here from the Caribbean, where it was training alongside the US Navy last week. “The 50-degree change in temperature was a bit of a shock,” said one sailor, tanned, looking out at the starkly quiet, cold shores of Baffin Island
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While the exercise and display of sovereignty is a step in the right direction, you would think they could come up with a better scenario. Drug-smuggling through an airfield in the Arctic? :
Benny said:
Yes, arctic countries have rights to claim extending their 200 mile zone during 10 years after ratifying the UN Sea Convention.
I do not understand all that media noise about Russians stealing the Santa-Claus.
Not even the North Pole.
Let's put aside media speculations, Russia is invoking its legal right to claim these territories and is collecting necessary proof for this.
I think Canadian should be worry of American claims to north straits.
That is a real problem for Canada.
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Just out of curiousity, comrade,......why?
By definition, a sovereign country must be able to enforce rules on its own territory.Bruce Monkhouse said:
This is not the case of the north straits and it does not look so good...
It looks the US is just ignoring Canada's rights.
In 1985, the U.S. icebreaker Polar Sea passed through, and the U.S. Government made a point of not asking permission from the Canadians. They claimed that this was simply a cost-effective way to get the ship from Greenland to Alaska and that there was no need to ask permission to travel through an international strait. The Canadian government issued a declaration in 1986 reaffirming Canadian rights to the waters. However, the United States refused to recognize the Canadian claim.
In late 2005, it was alleged that U.S. nuclear submarines had traveled unannounced through Canadian Arctic waters, sparking outrage in Canada. In his first news conference after the federal election, then-Prime Minister-designate Stephen Harper contested an earlier statement made by the American ambassador that Arctic waters were international, stating the Canadian government's intention to enforce its sovereignty there.
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Ya just happened to miss the stuff in 2007, eh?...........................[cue the Church Lady] Hoooow convenient!
