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Russia to India: Pay for the Admiral Gorshkov carrier or the deal is off!

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Apparently the Russians have upped the price of the ex-Kiev class carrier.
 
The Russians are trying to soak the Indians.If I were them I would walk away from the deal.Its clear the Russians have violated their end of the deal fornot delivering the carrier for the agreed $750m which has morphed into $2b and who knows if it will stop there. The Russians are a big weapons supplier to India which one would think should give them some clout.Perhaps India should buy a few subs from the West to send a message that even the Russians cant ignore.
 
Also tied up in all of this is the Indian Air Force requirement for a medium-weight fighter, and the naval fighter that will equip any future carriers. The MiG-29K has already been decided on for the naval fighter, and the Fulcrum is a leading competitor for the medium-weight fighter competition. Cancelling the Gorshkov deal throws the economics/logistics of both of those (substantial) deals out of whack.

Don't get me wrong, it may indeed still be in the best interests of India to walk away, but even on the simplest level of military procurement budgets, it is more complicated than it looks.
 
Another update on the Admiral Gorshkov carrier debacle:

Soviet Carrier Turns Into India's White Elephant

By PRATAP CHAKRAVARTY, AGENCE FRANCE-PRESSE
Published: 1 Aug 2009 10:25 

NEW DELHI - When Russia gave India a retired Soviet aircraft carrier five years ago, New Delhi was delighted - little realizing the vessel would turn into a costly white elephant.

Russia, India's longtime weapons supplier, said in 2004 it would give the country the 44,570-ton "Admiral Gorshkov" as a gift, provided Delhi paid a Russian shipyard $974 million to refurbish the carrier.

Since then, the price has skyrocketed for fixing up the 27-year-old ship, which was decommissioned after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

In 2007, Russia demanded $850 million more, citing cost escalations.

Then, six months ago, Russia startled India with another demand - this time for 2.9 billion dollars.

It also pushed back the ship's delivery by four years to 2012 - a year after India must mothball its last remaining aircraft carrier, the British-origin INS Viraat.

Now India's national auditor has waded into the row, saying the navy could have paid less for a new carrier.

"At best, the Indian navy would be acquiring, belatedly, a second-hand ship with a limited lifespan by paying significantly more than what it would have paid for a new ship," it said in its military spending report.

The Russian price hikes have sparked outrage, forcing India's Defence Minister A.K. Antony to assure parliament this week that fresh negotiations were once again under way.

"At present, the price escalation is in the negotiation stage and nothing has been finalised," Antony said, but he conceded India was paying "a substantially huge price" for the Admiral's refit.

New Delhi has already paid hundreds of millions of dollars in advance to Russia's state-run Sevmash shipyard.

"It's no doubt giving India a severe headache but we're stuck with it because if we pull out now, we don't get back a penny," said retired Gen. V. N. Sharma, a former chief of India's million-plus army.

India must also dig deeper into its pocket for tens of millions of dollars extra to equip the docked Admiral Gorshkov with Sukhoi-30 warjets and Russian missiles, officials say.

Russia's state-run defence export agency Rosoboronexport, which is handling the deal, has rejected suggestions that it is short-changing India.

"Every step in the process of the refit of the aircraft carrier is monitored by the Indian navy's technical team and they have never raised objections," spokesman Vyacheslav Davidenko was quoted as saying by the Press Trust of India.

The shipyard refitting the vessel has insisted that the cost escalations are due to Indian demands for features not included in the original contract.

Minister Antony says New Delhi, which is trying to build an aircraft carrier of its own, was forced to turn to Russia as no other country would give India a tactical vessel of such a size.

Russia, which accounts for 70 percent of India's military hardware, has up to $9 billion worth of defense orders from New Delhi in the pipeline.

General Sharma said he believes the Russians "grossly miscalculated when writing up this contract in 2004".

But retired Rear Adm. Raja Menon, who was associated with the project, said he believes Russia is seeking to get as much out of India as it can.

He said Moscow is in the habit of arm-twisting its traditional weapons buyers.

"Russia's track record is very poor in this regard and this time the nation has to take a call on this," he said.

"In other contracts too they had escalated costs and thought they could get away with it again," Menon said.
 
Another update:

http://www.defensenews.com/story.php?i=4222149&c=ASI&s=TOP

Indian Auditor Hits Russian Aircraft Carrier Deal
By vivek raghuvanshi
Published: 6 Aug 2009 16:38

NEW DELHI - India's autonomous Comptroller and Auditor General (CAG) has criticized the purchase of the Russian aircraft carrier Admiral Gorshkov, saying it would have cost less for the country to design and build its own aircraft carrier.

"The objective of induction of ship 'Q' [Gorshkov] as an aircraft carrier in time to bridge the gap in Indian Navy capabilities has been defeated," the CAG's July 24 report said. "The decision to go in for Repair and Refit of a second-hand ship has become questionable, as a new aircraft carrier would have cost much less and would have had twice the life span."

Indian Defence Ministry sources said the report could help scuttle the deal if Moscow does not agree to New Delhi's request to lower the price.


"Before entering into any [new] contract, the government will go through all the details. We will assess the criticism, including that of CAG, on the issue," Defence Minister A.K. Antony told the Upper House of Parliament on July 29.

The deal came to a halt in early 2007, when Moscow demanded India pay $1.2 billion for the carrier and said delivery would slip from 2008 to 2012.

The CAG report said building a carrier would have required two years for design, eight years for construction and $1.145 billion in cost. The ship would have an expected service life of 40 years, twice that of the Gorshkov.

A senior Indian Navy official responded that the Gorshkov was the only aircraft carrier available at that price in 2004. The official also said the report underestimated the cost of a new carrier.

The official said the Navy needs at least three carriers for its blue-water requirements.

India now has only one aircraft carrier in commission, and another homemade aircraft carrier, named the Air Defence Ship (ADS) is under construction.

The Navy's blue-water plans could receive a serious setback, as the two aircraft carriers in the pipeline will not delivered by 2012, as projected. Navy sources said the Admiral Gorshkov and the ADS have been delayed by more than three years, and the only currently operating carrier is due for decommissioning in 2012.

Navy sources say the Air Defence Ship, a 37,500-ton carrier being built at Cochin shipyard, will not be ready for delivery before 2015, instead of the earlier projection of 2012.
 
It seems India has decided to pour more money into this project after all:



http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/ins-vikramaditya-may-hit-delay-cost-increases-03283/

INS Vikramaditya: Waiting for Gorshkov…

17-Aug-2009 16:06 EDT


Aug 16/09: Indian media report that the government has cleared a $122 million bridging payment for continued modification work on the Gorshkov, while negotiations continue. The payment was sanctioned in early August, following demands by Rosoboronexport. domain-b | Economic Times of India.
July 31/09: India’s Business Standard conducts an interview with Russia’s outgoing ambassador to India, Vyacheslav Trubnikov. Excerpts:

”[VT] Not changing [the Gorshkov order], but the Indian Navy was eager to get the best, the most modern equipment [to insert into the hull].

[IBS] So the Navy’s appetite kept increasing, they wanted more and more..
[VT] Yes.

[BS] Reports are that it will cost around $2.2 billion?
[VT] It would be irresponsible of me to comment. Price negotiations are now entering the final stage. What is important for India is also the time of delivery. But the point is that if India wants additional equipment, the carrier will cost even more. So if both sides stop and decide, okay no request from India and no increase in price from our side, then we can finalise price and delivery.”
 
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