Semi serious question (STAT)

[medkir]

I‘m on my 3rd term of taking a steriod to help me gain muscle mass and extra weight. I‘m three weeks in on my 4 week cycle. I‘ve been ordering it from the US (because it cheaper) , but when talking with my own doctor over the last week, learned that the particular supplement I‘m taking happens to be banned as of recently in Canada.

I completed my application and have my references back now, and was going to bring it in tommorow. Now that I know that the stuff I‘m taking is illegal, I‘m going to start lowering the dose until I can quit. How long after I hand in my application would I be called in for my medical / fitness exam? ( I need to know, because if this stuff is illegal, I don‘t want this to hold me back from being accepted, so I want to make sure my blood / urine tests (if they apply) are clean ).
[in case your wondering what I‘m taking is called m1t]
thanks

 

[Michael OLeary]

The call could come days, weeks or months after you start the process with the CFRC. If you‘re worried about it talk to you doctor about how long it will take you to get off the drugs and to be clean before you submit your application.

It may or may not be something that the standards tests are designed to detect. Only the CFRC can answer that for you.

 

[medkir]

I took this to become stronger and try to lower my bodyfat percentage...I was 119 pounds when I started it, I‘m now 134, and my bodyfat percent has dropped from 23% to 11%. If i had known that it was illegal, I would have avoided it completely.... figures if its too good to be true, it usually has a legal drawback of sorts

 

[cathtaylor]

Anabolic steroids are one of the worst things you can do to your body. But I‘m sure everyone has been playing "mom" and telling you that. This WILL be detected in your urine test. Depending on the chemical composition it could take months to deplete. (Nicotine is detected in saliva after 6 weeks!) As Michael has said, the CFRC will answer that for you. So wean yourself off now, protect your heart, not to mention certain "muscles" or "organs" that will shrink as a result of the steroid use. The only safe way to gain muscle mass is by hard and true physical work and lots of good ole egg whites for protein.
I wish you much luck.

 

[Sh0rtbUs]

Are there steroids that are legal within the military, or are they all frowned upon? Reason Im asking is i know someone in the army who is taking them, and Id love to know whether what he‘s doing is legal or not.

 

[1feral1]

Zero tolerance for drugs - full stop! Obviously your ‘friend‘ has not respect for the law, mil law, and his career.

If he cant develop his body on his own, as no pain, no gain, he is as false as the drugs.

However if he likes, sores on his back, being irratated, short tempered, having a shrinking penis, and heart problems at a later age, tell him to keep taking them.


Regards,

Wes

 

[Sh0rtbUs]

yah, its what i figured. He‘s been told MANY times but is way to ignorant to even think he‘ll get caught. Geuss he‘ll just learn the hard way.

 

[cathtaylor]

Originally posted by Wesley H. Allen, CD:
[qb]
However if he likes, sores on his back, being irratated, short tempered, having a shrinking penis, and heart problems at a later age, tell him to keep taking them.

[/qb]

Pfft...bwahahahahaha.. :dontpanic: Good one, Wes.

 

[nULL]

yeah, you know your testicles will shrink right? i believe it has to do with the fact they are not "needed" anymore, or something like that.

just goto the gym and suffer with everyone else, chances are all the thin guys will be looking at you with envy anyways. meaty *******.

 

[Thompson_JM]

Originally posted by Sh0rtbUs:
[qb] yah, its what i figured. He‘s been told MANY times but is way to ignorant to even think he‘ll get caught. Geuss he‘ll just learn the hard way. [/qb]

Could someone remind me of the legal obligation members of the CF Reg and PRes have to report wrongdoing?

I know that we are obligated under military law to report harrasment, but with something such as this. would shortbus be obligated under military law to have to report something like this? not that im trying to wreck a freindship, or destroy a career. but i do know that if you see harrasment, ignore it, and then someone else reports it, you are now also liable to be disciplined, for not acting...

anyways, if someone could clarify. Brneil. this one is probabbly right up your alley since youre JAG

 

[bossi]

I haven‘t got my copy of QR&O‘s handy, but I remember there‘s a beautiful one that basically says "errors of omission" are chargeable offences, too (i.e. "turning a blind eye" to another service offence is a no-no).

Now, as far as harassment goes - the last time I taught the lecture on a QL2/QL3, I seem to remember that the first step is to tell the offending individual that their behaviour is wrong and will not be tolerated (i.e. instead of "running to Mommy" every time there‘s harassment, individuals are encouraged to resolve this at the lowest possible level - recipient to harasser directly, or with the assistance of peers). But, I could be wrong ...

 

[Yes Man]

Originally posted by Wesley H. Allen, CD:
[qb] Zero tolerance for drugs - full stop! Obviously your ‘friend‘ has not respect for the law, mil law, and his career.
[/qb]

Is there zero tolerance for all drugs or just illegal drugs, because there are many forms of steroids and other 'drugs' that are legal in Canada?

 

[combat_medic]

Yes Man: Anabolic, or "performance enhancing" steroids are illegal in Canada across the board. They‘re available by prescription for people in serious medical need (such as hormone replacement therapy), but cannot be bought over the counter legally. Just like morphine, which is a controlled subtance, but can be obtained illegally and abused.

Steroids will often be detectable in your system up to a year after you stopped taking them. Some of the side effects include:

Physical side-effects:

* Persistent headaches, nosebleeds and stomach aches
* Severe acne on face and body
* Hair loss
* Breast enlargement
* Shrunken testicles and lowered sperm count, which may lead to sterility and impotence
* Damage to liver and kidneys
* High blood pressure and increased cholesterol levels, which may lead to heart disease
* Premature fusion of the long bones, which may lead to stunted growth

Psychological side-effects:

* increased aggressiveness and bursts of anger, also known as "Roid rage"
* frequent and severe mood swings
* paranoia, sometimes leading to violence

All steroids are illegal (in Canada) when used without a prescription. Your friend is breaking the CF regulations, in addition to the criminal code. The only performance enhancing supplements that are legal in Canada are things like protein powder, creotene and herbal supplements. Even ephedrine is now illegal... even though you can buy it at truck stops in the US.

 

[Yes Man]

It's not my friend.
I just know that there are many accessible seroids out there, and unless things have changed many of them can be given to you by sports doctors, for non-serious medical conditions. Back when I was swimming I know many people on all sorts of steroids (mostly puffers to help with breathing) and none of them had serious medical conditions.

 

[combat_medic]

Puffers are not an anabolic steroid, nor are they performance enhancing, although they will come through in a drug test. Not all steroids are in the same classification. The ones I‘m talking about are anabolic, derived from the testosterone hormone, which are the performance enhancing ones.

 

[Yes Man]

Puffers are performance enhancing.

But from what I understood (take it I never really paid too much attention it was none of my business) there are many athletes on anabolic steroids, as a result from over training at a young age and if I‘m not mixing things up I believe alot of them were women too.

(note I have not trained for 3 years and at this time I had not done bio yet so if I am mixing things up please correct me.)

 

[combat_medic]

Inhalers contain Corticosteroids. Corticosteroids are a group of medications that reduce or prevent inflammation by altering the actions of various cells of the immune system. They‘re used to treat asthma, sinusitis, shingles, gout, rheumatoid arthiritis and MS, among others. They‘re a synthetic version of the hormones in our body that fight inflammation. They also have adverse side effects when taken long term. They are completely different from anabolic steroids, and are not in the same classification, nor are they performance enhancing other than in reducing the inflammation.

The medical uses (prescription only) for anabolic steroids include:
1. Weight gain for chronic nutritional deficiencies or AIDS wasting syndrome
2. Relief of bone pain accompanying osteoporosis
3. Corticosteroid-induced catabolism
4. Severe anemia
5. Hereditary angioedema
6. Metastatic breast cancer in women
7. Hormone deficiency states in males
8. to promote weight gain after surgery, trauma and serious infection

When they are prescribed, it‘s usually as a last resort after other drug options have been exhausted, and are done in very controlled amounts for controlled amounts of time.

 

[Geoff]

Xcape - who makes the product are you using? Some steroids are out of you‘re system very quickly while others (i.e. Deca) stick around for a long time. Many steroids aren‘t even tested for. My advice is to be forward about the usage but do let them know you stopped once you realized the substance was illegal. This may keep you out for some time but lying and getting caught would keep you out for good.

Don‘t bother weaning yourself off - just quit cold turkey. The longer you stay on the more test. suppression you will get plus the greater likelyhood of negative health effects. Depending on the cycle (doasage, frequency) you may need to talk to you‘re doctor about something to kickstart the old testes (i..e clomid).

 

[1feral1]

People who are drug abusers (including steroids) are only fooling themselves.

Even if this person or friend you know is too weak minded to quit, he‘s not a man, but an addict burnt on having a fake body, and if or when (it is when) he is caught, it brings disrespect to his mates, his unit, his corps, and his defence force overall.

A waste of rations. He should turn in his kit! Am I hardcore? About drug abuse in any Defence Force, yes!

No exceptions, mind you if I had someone approach me, who realised he had a problem, I would encourage him to quit full stop, and seek confidental assistance. If this could not be agreed to, he would be finsihed.

So, its this bloke‘s life, and if he wants to ruin it, and this includes his heath, you or no one can stop him.


Regards,

Wes

 

[cathtaylor]

Good Stuff Combat Medic!

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