Semi serious question (STAT)

[Yes Man]

Originally posted by CathTaylor:
[qb] Good Stuff Combat Medic!

"Yes Man" perhaps you should have your friend look at this information from CombatMedic, himself. Then he will be getting the facts, firsthand. [/qb]

?What friend?

 

[winchable]

I think you are being confused with "xcape"

 

[cathtaylor]

Oh, I apologize, really. That‘s what you get for merely "skimming" over information. I was so impressed by Combat Medic‘s responses and knowledge, the rest got lost in the translation. Once again, sorry for the misjudgement.

 

[Yes Man]

Originally posted by CathTaylor:
[qb] Oh, I apologize, really. That‘s what you get for merely "skimming" over information. I was so impressed by Combat Medic‘s responses and knowledge, the rest got lost in the translation. Once again, sorry for the misjudgement. [/qb]

I was getting worried, because that is the second time someone has says something about a friend of mine being on steriods.

 

[cathtaylor]

Yes, I see that. We tend to be like lemmings sometime, just following suit! Never do we want to misjudge someone.

 

[brneil]

Cpl Thompson asked for someone to comment on what obligation a member would have in the situation where a member is known to be taking an illegal substance.

My understanding is this, officially as a member of the CF you are obligated to inform the chain of command if you KNOW that an illegal activity if occuring. Interestingly enough in all (I believe) basic courses (NCM and Officer) there are ethics components which go into situations such as this. When I did my BOTC the basic comment was that there is an obligation and each member must make up their mind if they know all the information in order to make a claim of this nature.
There was certainly some sidestepping of the issue but I agree it is a tough one.

I believe the typical scenario in ethics lectures is as follows:

You are out with your buddies from basic or the regiment and two of them light up a joint. WHat do you do?

 

[DogOfWar]

The amount of ignorance pouring out on this board is ridiculous!!

first off- shrinking balls are no longer a side effect through use of HCG injections which send signals to the testicles to grow.

Steroid testing is ridiculous expensive as when you test for them you are not testing for the drug but for "metabolytes" which are indicators of use. Its a completly seperate test from regular drug testing. The CF must have money to burn considering its about 100 bucks to test one sample. Which is why the "powerlifting leagues" are using polygraph more often.

Your kidding yourselves if you dont think the CF isnt full of steroids.

I dont do them but as a bodybuilder I have an insight into the "scene" more so than whatever you people heard on "the TV"

He is refering to a "prohormone" anyways. Which is different(albeit similar) to steroids. Odds are it wont show up in your urine test. Or blood."Odds are" With a month of "cleanup" time you‘ll be clear for sure. The test for prohormones is ridiculous complex and only at an olympian level would you be tested for it.

 

[DogOfWar]

Oh on top of that. "CombatMedic" ephedrine is not illegal in canada. NOR in the US. HERBAL EPHEDRINE is illegal in the states. Ephedrine HCL is still legal there. AND if you knew about ephedrine stacking you‘d know that Ephdrine HCL is the best form.Do some research before posting.

Have a nice day.

 

[DogOfWar]

As a final note. I dont believe any Soldier, Sailor or Airman should be taking steroids. This is my personal belief. Im not advocating what the kid is doing im just saying that he should be informed of the facts not hysteria.

I agree with what our friend Wesley Allen has been saying regarding steroid use.

 

[Franko]

You‘d be surprised at how much money the CF is willing to throw at a person caught using steriods.

It‘s like this troops....

If an MO did not order you to take said medication in the course of therapy, you can be charged. Cut and dry. They have done the tests before on one of my friends in the past, and convicted him. They then punted him out.

It‘s your career....do what you want.

Regards

 

[DogOfWar]

Your right I would be surprised.
Anyways we are talking about a prohormone. Undetectable. 1-testosterone only raises natural test levels. He would appear "high normal" on a test.

 

[DogOfWar]

I just read my previous posts and I came accross as a complete jack ***. Sorry guys didnt mean to have that tone. Im sure your input is valued.

 

[Franko]

that‘s ok little guy....

Regards

 

[DogOfWar]

Little?? Hand me the needles....

 

[Franko]

We don‘t need to be shown a comparison of a needle to your...er...ahh...er...

Regards

 

[DogOfWar]

ouch right in my ego.....

 

[combat_medic]

TheWetGrunt: First off, before you go around calling people ignorant, you might want to check your own posts for spelling and grammar. To do otherwise makes you look rather ignorant yourself.

Now let‘s address some points. Using anabolic steroids through IM injection will not give you shrunken testicles, but injection is not the only way to take them. They can be taken orally as tablets or capsules, or by ointment preparations rubbed into the skin. Often times the harcore users will use both injections and an oral doasge (called "stacking") in the belief that it will increase their results. The oral tablets will often give the most side effects as they are absorbed into the blood stream and cause systemic changes in the body.

As for Ephedra/Ephedrine, I apoligize if the statement was unclear. Health Canada has recalled all products containing Ephedra/ephedrine for the purposes of weight loss, exercise tolerance, bodybuilding, in addition to those products that combine Ephedra/ephedrine with caffeine or other stimulants, and these products can no longer be sold legally in Canada, and cannot be imported legally from the US.

 

[Farmboy]

Instead of steriods look into creotine, protien powders, conjugated linoleic acid (CLA), colostrum ect.

 

[Geoff]

Wetgrunt: It should be noted that some prohormones are being treated as steroids by the RCMP. Any substance that is a derivitave of or precursor to "androstene" (most commonly used in pro-hormones) are being interpreted as a steroid.

Combat medic : stacking you‘re steroids (when done intelligently, lol) can dramatically increase you‘re results. You type as if steroids are one drug when indeed there are many different types. They all have different side effects and different levels of efficacy. Not to be pro-steroid but if you‘re having a problem with testicular atrophy you‘ve obviously done a poor job desiging you‘re stack - clomid will solve this problem.

IMO no one under 25 should even think about doing steroids and if you can find a way to rationalize it (i.e. you‘re in the NFL and about to make millions) they should be taken under a MD‘s supervision. Steroids can be very dangerous, especially for kids.

 

[DogOfWar]

In Canada prohormones are treated as steroids Im aware. But they are chemically different. AND not testable for like steroids. Nice job combat medic on attacking my spelling and grammar. Going after grammar on the internet is like shooting blind people- big challenge. Anabolics through injections WILL shrink your balls if your not applying proper post/pre therapy with your cycle. SO you‘re wrong again. As far as I know MED A‘s arent well versed in anabolics so your speaking outside the realm of your knowledge. Feel free to critique my spelling/grammar as you havent a leg to stand on.( if you guys are taught about anabolics you need remedial)