Should the CME be renamed Royal Canadian Engineers ?

[Spr.Earl]

There are no more fiercely patriotic or nationally aware people as those of Australia and New Zealand.   Both are openly hostile to anything British, more so of anything Royal, and yet, they still proudly wear a hatbadge that says "Royal Australian Engineers" and "Royal New Zealand Engineers".   I think the restoration would signifying the undoing of an insult that was not earned.....just my thoughts.

Chimo, Kat

You have that right Kat!
Lets look at why we earned the Royal.
I'll start with Vimy,who dug the tunnels?
Who sustained the communications wheather it was road,rail trench in WW I for our Troops?
Now you youngn's search and see how we earned the Honour of "Royal" that was given to our Corp.

 

[McG]

To putting Royal on something now, is taking away from the Canadianness of the unit.

I don't buy this argument.

 

[Veterans son]

You have that right Kat!
Lets look at why we earned the Royal.
I'll start with Vimy,who dug the tunnels?
Who sustained the communications wheather it was road,rail trench in WW I for our Troops?
Now you youngn's search and see how we earned the Honour of "Royal" that was given to our Corp.

Great message, Spr. Earl!

 

[043]

Definitely not!!!

We are not Royal anymore. I do agree that we have our roots however, lets move on shall we?

 

[Spr.Earl]

Definitely not!!!

We are not Royal anymore. I do agree that we have our roots however, lets move on shall we?

So the way I read your post is that we can just erase our history?
Wrong!!

To me the removel was an insult to those who came before us who earned the honour of " Royal ".

 

[043]

To each thier own. 

Chimo!!!!!

 

[Veterans son]

I do think that the CME cap badges would look nicer if they were metal instead of cloth.
Since I have never been in the military, I have never worn a cloth or metal cap badge, though!

 

[Nfld Sapper]

The only reason that we are not called RCE anymore is upon Unification one of the clauses was that we drop the title Royal (and as a consequence, we can never regain that title). Not just our branch lost the title Royal so did the Infantry, Airforce, and the Navy.

Chimo!

 

[Sapper24]

Why exactly did we lose the title of Royal? it may be  kind of stupid question, but I'm a new member to the forces and was just wondering...

 

[Veterans son]

The only reason that we are not called RCE anymore is upon Unification one of the clauses was that we drop the title Royal (and as a consequence, we can never regain that title). Not just our branch lost the title Royal so did the Infantry, Airforce, and the Navy.

Chimo!

I did not realize that the Engineers could never again regain the title of Royal Canadian Engineers.

 

[Michael Dorosh]

The only reason that we are not called RCE anymore is upon Unification one of the clauses was that we drop the title Royal (and as a consequence, we can never regain that title). Not just our branch lost the title Royal so did the Infantry, Airforce, and the Navy.

Chimo!

So why did the Armoured Corps retain the Royal designation?

And isn't the RCIC still so named?

 

[George Wallace]

Royal Canadian Artillery kept their "Royal" title also.  It is a puzzling question as to why some Arms and Branches lost the "Royal" prefix, while others did not.  I may suggest seniority, but that would not explain away the lost "Royal" prefix for the Navy.

GW

 

[Michael Dorosh]

Royal Canadian Artillery kept their "Royal" title also.   It is a puzzling question as to why some Arms and Branches lost the "Royal" prefix, while others did not.   I may suggest seniority, but that would not explain away the lost "Royal" prefix for the Navy.

GW

Simple, as far as RCA goes.  The Artillery is a regiment, not a corps.  Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery. 

The RCIC and RCAC only kept the title unofficially, I think.  Officially they became Infantry Branch and Armoured Branch, or so some references say, but the old usage stayed in use....??  I stand to be corrected, though.

 

[George Wallace]

Michael

As did RCEME through all its' incarnations of EME, LORE, LEME etc.  We still refer to them as RCEME in our spoken lexicom, no matter what they wear on their slipons.

GW

 

[Horse_Soldier]

Simple, as far as RCA goes.   The Artillery is a regiment, not a corps.    Royal Regiment of Canadian Artillery.  

The RCIC and RCAC only kept the title unofficially, I think.   Officially they became Infantry Branch and Armoured Branch, or so some references say, but the old usage stayed in use....??   I stand to be corrected, though.

Okay - stand and be corrected  ;D  RCAC is the official term.  If you look at the DEU metal shoulder titles of personnel in "Corps" appointments, they wear RCAC

 

[Michael OLeary]

Royal Canadian Artillery kept their "Royal" title also.  It is a puzzling question as to why some Arms and Branches lost the "Royal" prefix, while others did not.  I may suggest seniority, but that would not explain away the lost "Royal" prefix for the Navy.

GW

The Navy would have lost their "Royal" prefix when the RCN was 'disbanded' for unification as part of the all-encompassing Canadian Armed Forces. The use of "Canadian Navy" now (as with the Army and Air Force) is more a public relations and esprit building mechanism, not an indication that it has been restored as a separate service, which might substantiate requesting restoration of the honorific.

 

[Spr.Earl]

The only reason that we are not called RCE anymore is upon Unification one of the clauses was that we drop the title Royal (and as a consequence, we can never regain that title). Not just our branch lost the title Royal so did the Infantry, Airforce, and the Navy.

Chimo!

Wrong in 71/72 we were still RCE.
The change happened in 74/75 the reason I know is my brother was in 6Fd and refused to turn in has RCE cap badge for a big plaque that was to be,it ended up being a little plaque as many guy's also refused and felt betrayed of the change.

 

[Veterans son]

Wrong in 71/72 we were still RCE.
The change happened in 74/75 the reason I know is my brother was in 6Fd and refused to turn in has RCE cap badge for a big plaque that was to be,it ended up being a little plaque as many guy's also refused and felt betrayed of the change.

For some reason, I thought that the RCE became the CME as of 1968.
I wonder how many different hat badges the Engineers have had since
unification?

 

[Spr.Earl]

No,it was in 74/75.
When I joined a Norwegian ship in the Nov. of 72.
My brother who had joined S.S.E.P. that summer, wore his Uniform to the Pub as he was under age and he was wearing the R.C.E. badge then.It was in late 74 or 75 when our Corp lost the Royal.

 

[Coop]

Hi all,
Having personally gone through the rebadging in 1975 (when I took down the RCE hat badge and put up the CME hat badge) I would have to say no.  It's been 30 plus years and I think the way it is now is just fine. Of course they may want to consider it when the Queen retires and the new King takes over one day. We will have to change all badges to the Kings crown anyway. Who knows?

Chimo!