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Some more info on CF purchasing policies (MILCOTS)

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(sorry, but I have to shake my head at the eventual price tag for the Bombardier Iltis ... and the close family connection between Bombardier and Papa Doc Crouton ...)

Cash-strapped army buys off-the-shelf trucks
Jim Farrell, CanWest News Service
July 8, 2004
 
EDMONTON -- The Canadian army is buying more than 1,000 non-military, diesel-powered pickup trucks, slightly modified for army use as part of a new cost-saving policy to purchase off-the-shelf items.

Each of the 1,061 one-tonne Silverados costs $65,000.

The Edmonton-based Land Force Western Area will receive 337 vehicles and will supply them to reserve units and military police across Western Canada.

The trucks' diesel engines carry the standard GM five-year, 160,000-kilometre warranty.

There are other savings, said Capt. John Vintar, the logistics officer with Land Force Western Area.

"One of the cost savings is the result of having much of the work performed by local dealerships," said Vintar. "That means we won't have to stock any of the parts."

Servicing overseas won't present a problem because the vehicles will never leave Canada, Vintar said. On foreign assignments, soldiers will use the new diesel-powered Mercedes Benz G-Wagen jeep.

"The G-Wagen fits the bill for foreign service," Vintar said. "It can carry add-on armour. There's no armour available for the Silverado."

The $150,000 G-Wagen and the $65,000 Silverado both serve as replacements for the much criticized Iltis vehicle, widely used by the Armed Forces.

In the past, the military paid what might strike civilians as outrageous prices for purpose-built trucks and jeeps. A made-in-Canada purchasing policy didn't help. In the mid-1980s, the army wanted to buy small German-built Iltis jeeps at a cost of $26,500 each, but the Liberal government demanded the vehicles be built in Canada.

Quebec-based Bombardier, which was having financial difficulties at the time, got the contract to build the Volkswagen Rabbit-engined Iltis in Canada and the cost skyrocketed to $84,000 apiece.

It was left up to the Canadian Forces to pay the hefty bill and the vehicles were delivered between 1984 and 1986.

The Silverado's cab provides room for gun racks and a large military radio, as well as four "captain's" seats.

The Silverado represents another departure from routine military purchasing policy -- country-of-manufacture. The truck is assembled in Flint, Mich., but contains many Canadian parts.
 
I'm sure GM won't void any of the warrenties either.  Can you imagine driving that into the dealership with mud and grass stuck in ever hole. "Hey bub check the oil".
 
bossi said:
Servicing overseas won't present a problem because the vehicles will never leave Canada, Vintar said. On foreign assignments, soldiers will use the new diesel-powered Mercedes Benz G-Wagen jeep.

Didn't they say this about the Cougar, years ago? "It's a tank TRAINER - it'll never be deployed!"

:tank:
 
It seems you just can't make everybody happy:

Military's 'buy American' tactic dubious
DND buys U.S. trucks to save money; Liberals to prop up Ont. auto industry


The Edmonton Journal
July 8, 2004


The health of Canada's auto-making industry became a big issue during the recent federal election. So much so that the Liberals promised to spend $500 million over the next five years to prop up Ontario's auto industry.

So why is the Department of National Defence "buying American" to save money?

The DND recently bought 1,061 four-wheel-drive, diesel, extended cab Silverado trucks with canopies from the General Motors' plant in Flint, Mich. Total value of the contract is $225.8 million, including maintenance of the trucks at various GM dealerships in Canada.

The 2003 model trucks are intended for use by army reserve units across Canada. The Edmonton-based Land Forces Western Area, which is responsible for reserve units in Alberta and elsewhere in Western Canada, will receive 313 trucks.

Similar numbers will go to reserve units under army commands in Ontario, Quebec and Atlantic Canada.

Twenty-eight of the trucks are sitting on a back lot at Westgate Chevrolet in west Edmonton. It's one of several GM dealerships across Canada which are being used to acquire and maintain them.

According to the DND's public affairs office for the Land Forces Western Area, the trucks were bought under its Milcots (Militarized Commercial Off-The-Shelf) program aimed at saving money by buying commercial vehicles from wherever adapted for military use.

Buying American rather than having them made in Canada -- such as at GM's truck plant in Oshawa, Ont., which also makes Silverados -- may somehow save money for the DND.

According to a GM of Canada news release dated Sept. 17, 2002, the Oshawa plant was to begin producing "all-new, full-size" crew cab Silverados at Oshawa in the first quarter of 2004 in addition to the four-door, extended-cab Silverados already made there.

It seems pretty dumb having the DND "save"money this way only to have some other federal department later fork out mega-millions to prop up Canada's auto- making industry.

Don B. Thomas,

Edmonton
 
It seems pretty dumb having the DND "save"money this way only to have some other federal department later fork out mega-millions to prop up Canada's auto- making industry.

It's a typical case of the left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, which is disturbingly common in our government. A few years ago I was talking to an air type who, due to backed up training, remained with only one bar for much longer than he was supposed to. On completion of training, he went straight to Capt, complete with backpay somewhere around $40,000.

Reasonable enough, except the immediate response of Revenue Canada was to audit him, because they "know how much a CF officer makes and an extra $40,000 is highly suspicious." Um, yeah, so the government gives him the money, then audits him because they don't believe he could make that much money in his government job.   ::) At some point our government missed the concept that a bit of communication can save a lot of money and effort.
 
You're absolutely right, I'm one of the air types that got retro paid due to backlogs in training.  After getting my pilot wings on the 2nd of Apr, I got retro paid just under $22,000, on top of my regular Capt(PLT) pay it's puts me in the $80,000 range for the year.  I was a 2Lt for 4 years, on grad parade I went straight to Capt. I'm hoping to avoid the audit but it won't surprise me if I get one, I'm filing adjustments to previous year's taxes since it was a retro pay and not a "getting your wings " bonus.

As for the saving money thing, hey...let someone else prop up the auto industry, we sure as hell can't afford to.

Cheers,
 
Where were those auditors whene that defence dweeb that bilked Compaq out of a $160,000,000 was buying $2,000,000 houses on $70,000 salary? ::)

 
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