Some questions about MARS in NavRes

[Catburglar]

Hello there, after a year in St-Jean and six marvelous scars on my legs, i have been released from the regular forces (5d).  So i decide to join the NavRes as a MARS, which was my trade in the regular force.  The enrollment process is done, my file is now checking by Ottawa, thanks to the 5d...

So here's my questions :

1 - How are my chances to get more training the next summer than the IAP/BOTP/NETPO course who's usually given the first summer. Since i'm fully available thru the year, i would like to take more MARS courses if i can.

2- Since i'm a DEO, i'll get my commission right after the end of BOTP parade, right ?

3- How hard is the process to switch from NavRes to the regular navy ? should i wait to have mars IV being done or i can request the transfer right after my first summer ?

Thanks a lot, Catburglar

 

[navymich]

Hello there, after a year in St-Jean and six marvelous scars on my legs, i have been released from the regular forces (5d).  So i decide to join the NavRes as a MARS, which was my trade in the regular force.  The enrollment process is done, my file is now checking by Ottawa, thanks to the 5d...

So here's my questions :

1 - How are my chances to get more training the next summer than the IAP/BOTP/NETPO course who's usually given the first summer. Since i'm fully available thru the year, i would like to take more MARS courses if i can.

2- Since i'm a DEO, i'll get my commission right after the end of BOTP parade, right ?

3- How hard is the process to switch from NavRes to the regular navy ? should i wait to have mars IV being done or i can request the transfer right after my first summer ?

Thanks a lot, Catburglar

1.  It will depend on when the courses are for next summer and if there is any room on them.  There is sometimes the chance of being loaded on a Reg Force MARS course in the Fall or Winter, but once again no guarantees.  It will depend on your availability and room on the course.

3.  For others out there: Is it possible to enroll in the reserves in the same trade after this release item?  And if so, would it ever be possible to try again for the same position in the Regs that you were just released from under that item?


edited to add:

For those that might not be aware of the 5d release item:

5(d) Not Advantageously Employable.

Applies to the release of an officer or non-commissioned member:

      because of an inherent lack of ability or aptitude to meet military classification or trade standards; or

      who is unable to adapt to military life; or

      who, either wholly or chiefly because of the conditions of military life or other factors beyond his control, develops personal weaknesses or has domestic or other personal problems that seriously impair his usefulness to or impose an excessive administrative burden on the Canadian Forces.

 

[Catburglar]

Well, since they changed the rules at ST-Jean, everybody who's gonna be release, for medical reason like me, or pretty much everything else except major misconduct things are gonne be release under 5D. This have been done to empty the PAT compagny who had about 300 persons in when i left.  You're injured, then you have 30 days to recover or you gonna be PRB'ed and release 5D (in most case).

The thing is, in my humble opinion, not a lot of people are gonne re-apply once they have been released.  That's why my recruit center (small one) tell me that being release under 5d is a total mess.  In big recruit center like Montreal, people who have been release 5d in while being in St-Jean are considered like new aplicant.

I don't know if that clarify the 5d situation a bit, this is the best my poor english skill can produce

Catburglar

 

[Monsoon]

If the release happened as you say and the medical problem that caused it has been cleared up, you should be able to re-enroll without too much difficulty (minus review of the file by CFRG).

If you do IAP/BOTP/NETPO in the summer you should be able to progress onto MARS III in the fall. In the past, people have run into trouble with the NETPO "distributed training" package that is normally done during the class A training year back at the unit, but allowance is made for this and I believe it is usually run as a one- or two-week session for people who want to go directly onto MARS III. While there is sometimes not enough room on the fall courses to accommodate everyone (and NAVRES guys are the first to get dropped), a number of people manage to do the straight-through all-in-12-months plan every year.

I'm curious why you chose to enroll in the Reserves this time, though. Were you told not to re-apply to the reg force or is your plan to transfer reg force after finishing your training?

 

[Catburglar]

My plan is to transfer to the reg forces as soon as i can.  I already told my NavRes unit that was my plan, either that or taking full-time contract on either coast as soon as i get my qualification. If i know the process of becoming a MARS in the regular forces very well, i must admit i'm a bit in the fog for the reserve. At first, i tought i should wait to be fully qualifed to switch (this should be when i reach the rank of Lt(N)-Res ? ) to the reg forces, But now i wonder if i can switch earlier, like right after i get my comission.

This lead to your question why i choose t apply in the NavRes instead of the reg forces.  I will be very honest on this.  I have a very nasty chronical compartement syndrome. I've been tested in St-Jean and got 97mmHg (second highest score so far). I had a surgery to correct that, and while the recovery was going well, i wasn't ready when they deceide to put me back in training, and developped another syndrome in the calfs. In short, i have one of a hell time running while doing ok with the rest (including the cf express). Alas, in St-Jean running is about everything.  The staff at the MIR deceide that my military career was over, but some peoples in St-Jean tought that maybe i have some potential to, at least, start a military career. So, someone suggest that the solution could be to the my basic with the reserve wich, in that person opinion (wich i respect a lot), i have better chance to succed because it's a bit less hard on legs than the 17 weeks IAP/BOTP in St-Jean. The MIR staff agreed with that, and i've been release 5d instead of something else.

It's all about that, it's far from being the glorious way to join the navy i must admit. However, i really beleive that if i didn't try everything i can to become a MARS, i miss the oportunity of my life.

Catburglar

 

[dimsum]

1 - How are my chances to get more training the next summer than the IAP/BOTP/NETPO course who's usually given the first summer. Since i'm fully available thru the year, i would like to take more MARS courses if i can.
2- Since i'm a DEO, i'll get my commission right after the end of BOTP parade, right ?
3- How hard is the process to switch from NavRes to the regular navy ? should i wait to have mars IV being done or i can request the transfer right after my first summer ?

I'm not completely sure how the NAVRES IAP/BOTP has changed, but apparently it has in the past year.  While it was true that running wasn't emphasised as much there than what I've seen in Saint-Jean, that's no guarantee now.  Any recent NAVRES BOTP grads care to confirm?

1's been answered already, but:
2.  Yes. 
3.  You can request the transfer right away, but there is no difference in the training between reg and reserve MARS officers until after MARS 4.  The transfer process is really easy and quick now, from what I've been told.

 

[Monsoon]

At first, i thought i should wait to be fully qualified to switch (this should be when i reach the rank of Lt(N)-Res ? ) to the reg forces, But now i wonder if i can switch earlier, like right after i get my commission.

You will be able to transfer essentially any time. The sooner the better, in fact - once you are in the reg force you will get priority for the non-summer MARS courses. That being said, you can safely wait until the end of MARS IV as the training is identical up to then.

So, someone suggest that the solution could be to the my basic with the reserve which, in that person opinion (which i respect a lot), i have better chance to succeed because it's a bit less hard on legs than the 17 weeks IAP/BOTP in St-Jean.

The IAP/BOTPs run at St-Jean and VENTURE are the same. The only thing you may find easier on your legs is that VENTURE doesn't have the endless flights of stairs to run up and down twenty times a day.

 

[Stoker]

We get quite a few reserve officers get their qualifications first, and get put on their fleet navigators course. They then transfer to the regular force and get a sweet deal on pay incentives and promotion.

 

[dimsum]

We get quite a few reserve officers get their qualifications first, and get put on their fleet navigators course. They then transfer to the regular force and get a sweet deal on pay incentives and promotion.

The only hitch with that is if someone doesn't want FNO, they have no other D-level to choose from, whereas there are always the weapons directors and that IMD one in the Reg Force.  Also, if you have FNO then you're pretty much set on being a Navigator in the big ships as well...they really won't give you a choice of D-levels since a) you already have one and b) the fleet's way short of FNO-qualified people.

But the situation might have changed since April. 

 

[Stoker]

These people want their fleet navigators course because thats what they want to do in the regular force as well. Also its transferable to the civilian side of things.

 

[Cronicbny]

I've managed to go straight from BOTP to NETPO (that DL package was a 5 day Class B week) to MARS III and now to MARS IV starting next week.... so it is possible to get all the courses one right after the other.