Status of Reserve BMQ/SQ
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Well, from what I've been reading and what I went through, I think its safe to say that the standards are slowly being lowered and lowered.
I just got back from Meaford for BMQ / SQ and I know that myself, as well as many of the guys in my platoon and section felt cheated on the PT. We went 3 days straight with no PT becuase of a WO inspection, a platoon comanders inspection, followed by a company commanders inspection the next day. The staff wanted us to be fully ready for inspection so they cut our PT. We went for ONE tough run the whole time, where 15 people dropped out, other then that, we had the same 2-3 guys drop out everyrun, but it wasn't that far, maybe 4 km or so. Our ruck marchs were fast but not great distances. From what I gathered, it's not entirely the staff and platoon comanders fault for the shortage of PT. There is only an hour schedualed for PT in the morning and you can only do what you can get done in that hour. If they dont schedual 2 hours, troops can't go on longer ruck marchs or evne BEGIN to build themselves up to a 13km level of stamina. I knwo many guys that wished we had a BFT at the end of couse. It seemed like it was all about keeping the numbers up instead of sending the weak ones home.
We did do the C6 and C9 and grenades but not the CarlG or M72 (although I got an M72 crash course at SG). No swim test either but I did have to complete it at SG so it's done and out of the way.
I just got back from Meaford for BMQ / SQ and I know that myself, as well as many of the guys in my platoon and section felt cheated on the PT. We went 3 days straight with no PT becuase of a WO inspection, a platoon comanders inspection, followed by a company commanders inspection the next day. The staff wanted us to be fully ready for inspection so they cut our PT. We went for ONE tough run the whole time, where 15 people dropped out, other then that, we had the same 2-3 guys drop out everyrun, but it wasn't that far, maybe 4 km or so. Our ruck marchs were fast but not great distances. From what I gathered, it's not entirely the staff and platoon comanders fault for the shortage of PT. There is only an hour schedualed for PT in the morning and you can only do what you can get done in that hour. If they dont schedual 2 hours, troops can't go on longer ruck marchs or evne BEGIN to build themselves up to a 13km level of stamina. I knwo many guys that wished we had a BFT at the end of couse. It seemed like it was all about keeping the numbers up instead of sending the weak ones home.
We did do the C6 and C9 and grenades but not the CarlG or M72 (although I got an M72 crash course at SG). No swim test either but I did have to complete it at SG so it's done and out of the way.
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WRT Comms basic, I did mine last year in Shilo, and alot of us fumed when we heard at how different it was this yr to last. I mean, sure, a lot of people compalined last year saying PT on basic wasn't challenging enough, but I've been hearing that this year some courses did PT ONCE during the entire SQ. ONCE - THAT'S IT. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't SQ supposed to be sort of a semi-infantry like course- or at least the closest thing most of us will do to infantry-like trg in our Comms careers before PLQ? We did more PT this summer on our 3s for f*cks sake. As menion said earlier, we were doing 10k ruckmarches 3 times a week and when we found out they took the 13k out completely some of us (ok, me...let's just say my rucksack and me aren't the greatest of friends 
) got a little :threat: I mean, our comms basic was a lot easier compared to what others on this board have done, but what happenned to standards from this yr to last is just sad.
) got a little :threat: I mean, our comms basic was a lot easier compared to what others on this board have done, but what happenned to standards from this yr to last is just sad. 
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you are reserve comms in a different org than the rest of the army reserve hence you standards appear to be different. for what ever reason when a comms basic is happening there are components deemed as unimportant. IE PT your highers are scared of breaking some computer geeks body. Not saying Sigs are all computer geeks but the difference I've seen from Army reserve recruits and Sig recruits. well you can definitely see the difference in the type of person being recruited.
Ok for one thing TR you can't assume everyone that is part of comms are "computer geeks"
Soldiers decide to join the Comms because that is what some of us are actually interested in. The basic standard levels are dropping, and everyone can see that, but they aren't just dropping in the Comms element, they are dropping in every element. So don't try to tell us that because we are in Comms we couldn't do well in other elements to, we aren't going to be broken.
Soldiers decide to join the Comms because that is what some of us are actually interested in. The basic standard levels are dropping, and everyone can see that, but they aren't just dropping in the Comms element, they are dropping in every element. So don't try to tell us that because we are in Comms we couldn't do well in other elements to, we aren't going to be broken.
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TR, I'll agree with PteKec, the physical standards may have been different, but we had guys on our SQ who had done their basic through the infantry, and they were dropping out 2 minutes into a morning pt, being outrung by socalled *Computer Geeks*
As far as physical standards being different, it's kinda BS. It supposed to be one standard. Everyone in the Armed forces is supposed to be at the same basic level, and that's what bmq is all about.
Asfar as joining because we're interested, I've had fun as a sig. I was supposed to be Infantry, and was on my way, but my eyes weren't good enough, so sigs sounded more fun than Resource Management Support Clerk. So don't knock or stereotype a trade, cuz some of these *computer geeks* are tough
As far as physical standards being different, it's kinda BS. It supposed to be one standard. Everyone in the Armed forces is supposed to be at the same basic level, and that's what bmq is all about.
Asfar as joining because we're interested, I've had fun as a sig. I was supposed to be Infantry, and was on my way, but my eyes weren't good enough, so sigs sounded more fun than Resource Management Support Clerk. So don't knock or stereotype a trade, cuz some of these *computer geeks* are tough
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TR said:
I can assure you... while I freely admit to being a nerd, I am *not* easily broken... far... far from it in fact... I'd really appreciate it if you didn't make such sweeping generalizations in the future...
I've got a rather long ramble about this subject, having done my basic training with combat arms, if you want to hear it, let me know via private message, it's not a public forum sort of ramble.
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I've seen a few people from the militia that could be grouped in the same area, but I'm sure they went and passed the same PT test, and the same BMQ standards (after all, there is a set standard for the land force reserve, comms or not). Some are computer geeks, and others look like Mr. T. Don't paint everyone with the same brush, you'll be liable to get the same comments thrown back your way.
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PteKec said:
TR said:
ah you didn't read my whole post. I don't believe all Signals types are geeks. I 'm just saying from my experience that I noticed a differing between to two types of candidates.
Try reading next time my whole post I am not one fro petty trade disputes. We all have our jobs to do.
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TR,
Having been a Armoured MCpl, and then doing a component transfer to the regs in to a Sig's trade, I find your comments kind of offensive. I can point out specific instances where Infanteers, Armoured and Engineers have some pretty deplorable physical fitness and are absolutely useless in the field. I think you're a little too close to the subject. Ain't nothing wrong with unit/corps pride but.... man.
I've instructed on tons of courses and I'll tell you what: The standard is lower across the board, not just in the Sig's.
You as an instructor know how difficult it is to remove someone from a course, back in the day they could have you off a course in a couple of days if they wanted to. Now, you're kinda stuck with what you got and have to do the best you can, and try and bring even the weak ones kicking and screaming to the goal... graduation, whether you like it or not.
Just my 2 cents... take it for what it is... but having seen what it's like on both sides of the fence I think I have a better perspective then you.
Having been a Armoured MCpl, and then doing a component transfer to the regs in to a Sig's trade, I find your comments kind of offensive. I can point out specific instances where Infanteers, Armoured and Engineers have some pretty deplorable physical fitness and are absolutely useless in the field. I think you're a little too close to the subject. Ain't nothing wrong with unit/corps pride but.... man.
I've instructed on tons of courses and I'll tell you what: The standard is lower across the board, not just in the Sig's.
You as an instructor know how difficult it is to remove someone from a course, back in the day they could have you off a course in a couple of days if they wanted to. Now, you're kinda stuck with what you got and have to do the best you can, and try and bring even the weak ones kicking and screaming to the goal... graduation, whether you like it or not.
Just my 2 cents... take it for what it is... but having seen what it's like on both sides of the fence I think I have a better perspective then you.
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It wasn't the geek comment TR, it was the fact that you said the sigs trade has a different physical standard. It the same everywhere, and as stated by others, the level IS being dropped across the board.
I was speaking w/ one of my sergeants on the issue, and he said it seems to be that the physical requirements seems to be dropping back as the forces are focusing on having smart soldiers. They would rather spend the little time available at bmq/SQ ingraining knowledge into the soldier, and working him up to a point where he can meet higher physical standards.
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Physically, same std across the board. However, if you don't have the aptitude to be a Sig Op/LMN, then you will qualify for a lesser trade (and they will cetainly take you).Problem with the BET on BMQ and SQ is that it's not part of the TP for Reservists. PT still should be done, but only as the schedule permits... The Reg F is responsible for the physical fitness of it's mbrs, not so for the Reserves. If a Recruit has a heart attack on the Res SQ, as long as he passed the express test, then that was all that was required. If he's fat and useless, that's another story.
