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[Old Ranger]

-I never had any problem with it.   I put it on 'SAFE'.   Try it.

Tom

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Never had a problem with the safety after that, it was a good wake up call.

 

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Visited the 12RBC last week. Their museum was open and lo and behold..... a chrome plated SMG!!! the only thing that was missing was the Imperial startrooper body armour from Star wars

SMG as some have pointed out did have it's moments. in 70, Cpl on sentry in Ottawa jumpod over the tailgate of a 3/4, weapon fired and the sentry was toast (RIP)

On the range, in the hands of a recruit, the damn thing was dangerous. Had one fella think he had a jam, je started to turn around with the SMG leveled - as people scrambled to take cover the dang thing went off........ saw a Sgt flying horizontal & brought said defective Recruit down to the ground.

 

[Bartok5]

-I never had any problem with it.   I put it on 'SAFE'.   Try it.

For every purported "horror story" involving the C1 SMG, I refer you to the above quote.   Couldn't have said it better myself.   With very (and I mean VERY) few exceptions, every non-intentional discharge with the C1 SMG was a case of operator-induced error.   Whether those incidents were due to inadequate user training or fundamental ineptitude is not for me to say.   What I can say (personally owning a C1 SMG to this day), is that it is one of the safest open-bolt SMGs in the world.  

If you have/had an unintentional discharge that cannot be traced to the EXTREMELY RARE mechanical dysfunction of the trigger mech?   Well then, you were an arse-clown with no clue about handling automatic weapons.   The C1 SMG is the safest open-bolt SMG in history.   The "Safe" setting on the selector-switch locks the bolt either closed on an empty chamber, or open on a loaded gun.   There is no "middle ground".   If your bolt rode back under inertia as the result of a butt-end impact and chambered/fired a round?   You were a negligent idiot who did not have the firearm on "Safe", but had a magazine loaded.   How frigging stupid is that?!?  

The C1 SMG is/was a highly reliable and very safe weapon in the hands of TRAINED users.   Perhaps that was the fundamental problem that some folks here are talking about - untrained users weilding lethal automatic weapons.   If that is the case, then it seems that some things haven't changed much in the past 20 years....

 

[Black Watch]

"personally owning a C1 SMG to this day"

Where did you get it?

 

[1feral1]

Not to devulge too much personal info here, as this is the INet, but Mate, he bought it from me back in 1994 as I was moving to Australia, and that is NO bullshit! I had bought it from the dealer OGT in Swastika Ontario about 1985, and the wpn had came out of Africa before that, but first passing thru an arms clearing house in the UK, then to Canada Customs for inspection, etc. Although it was made by Cdn government's CAL in Ontario in 1959, the serial number 0S8XXX had never been issued to the CF, as this was checked on more than one occasion.

It is/was one of three LEGALLY privately owned C1 SMGs in Canada. All legal and happily registered, yes it had been examined by the RCMP crime lab in Regina initally upon registration and again in 1991 when an over zealous CPL MOC421 from Moose Jaw found out I owned one, so after a bit of a shit fight with some IGNORANT and over confident SIU types (and an incompetant hellbent antigun Regina City Policeman) even the 15 Wg MPs finally realised that such can be legally owned along with Cdn T series Inglis Brownings and FN C1A1 rifles. I got an apology from the MCPL who conducted the investigation, and had my property returned.

So, Black Watch (a 21 yr old former Cadet?), by your tone, you sound that owning such is doubtful, well my friend, think again. Try reading the thread as Mark explains some history of the SMG on here. If you would have read the thread in the first place you would not have asked such a stupid question.

Sorry Mark, I had to bite on this, as I hate when people think one is bullshittng, and tend to think that one cannot LEGALLY obtain Canadian government manufactured firearms, as they were not just made for the CF. There is even such firearms privately owned in NZ and in Australian and UK museums. I am sure there are plenty of others in various countries worldwide.

Regards,

Wes

 

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There was always something about the SMG. In the field, many were hung up on tree branch while you took a crap... and subsequently were never found.... searches and SI's were frequent...
Know of one instance where an SMG was lost - our unit was in the same area about 4 wks later -"rusty" weapon chose to show itself.

With a slew of lost weapons over the years; I can understand SIU & MPs jumping to conclusion about the "appearance" of a Cdn pattern SMG. (can also appreceate concept of making MP eat crow / humble pie)

Over the years, have seen a number of Aussie FALs in circulation. I thought it was a better weapon with it's heavier barrel.... and you could use the FNC1 body cover/BB Carrier & Breach block. Always prefered our Body cover VS the small ejection port the standard FAL used.

So back to the SMG - a good improvement over the old STEN "plumbers nightmare"
as with any weapon - dangerous in the hands of an amateur BUT entirely serviceable in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing.... IMHO

 

[Ex-Dragoon]

There was always something about the SMG. In the field, many were hung up on tree branch while you took a crap... and subsequently were never found.... searches and SI's were frequent...
Know of one instance where an SMG was lost - our unit was in the same area about 4 wks later -"rusty" weapon chose to show itself.

With a slew of lost weapons over the years; I can understand SIU & MPs jumping to conclusion about the "appearance" of a Cdn pattern SMG. (can also appreceate concept of making MP eat crow / humble pie)

Over the years, have seen a number of Aussie FALs in circulation. I thought it was a better weapon with it's heavier barrel.... and you could use the FNC1 body cover/BB Carrier & Breach block. Always prefered our Body cover VS the small ejection port the standard FAL used.

So back to the SMG - a good improvement over the old STEN "plumbers nightmare"
as with any weapon - dangerous in the hands of an amateur BUT entirely serviceable in the hands of someone who knows what he's doing.... IMHO

What surprises me is you would actually have been let out of the field without finding this or any weapon lost.....

 

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As I pointed out.... t'was not my unit that lost it..............  we just happened to occupy an area that had been used some weeks/months prior.

This goes back an awful long time ago (sigh) I know the SMG was returned to the unit in question and someone did pay big time..... for the loss of what is now a prohibited weapon and the Ummm.... finder's fee.

 

[Acorn]

Over the years, have seen a number of Aussie FALs in circulation. I thought it was a better weapon with it's heavier barrel.... and you could use the FNC1 body cover/BB Carrier & Breach block. Always prefered our Body cover VS the small ejection port the standard FAL used.

Control of non-serialed wpn parts was shakey "in the day." I know a guy that basically "Canadianized" his Aussie FAL in the early '80s - body cover, BB carrier, handgurds and - erm - C2 change lever and trigger parts. A 7.62 NATO rifle on full auto is hard to control (I think  ;D)

Of course he no longer has it if he's living in Canada as it is a prohibited weapon and he doesn't have the appropriate documentation.

The SMG is, as others mention, a safe weapon when properly handled. Unfortunately there are some who can't seem to handle it properly. I had the old "recruit waving SMG with finger on trigger and change lever on A" happen to me as a range NCO once. It focusses the mind, I'll tell you.

I have some other stories, but I'll save them for another time and place.

Acorn

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Well Mark C only reiterated, in somewhat stronger terms, what a couple of us have been saying all along. If you treat it right, no problems. If you play with it, and don't know what your doing, be prepared for the consequences. I think the points been proven, in all the years with the Corps, I've NEVER seen an ND with a SMG, as long as the person was trained properly and followed procedures.

 

[Slim]

Well Mark C only reiterated, in somewhat stronger terms, what a couple of us have been saying all along. If you treat it right, no problems. If you play with it, and don't know what your doing, be prepared for the consequences. I think the points been proven, in all the years with the Corps, I've NEVER seen an ND with a SMG, as long as the person was trained properly and followed procedures.

Well thank you all very much...Now I (sniff sniff) fell quite inferior to everyone else, will probably (sniff, sniff) develope a complex and come down with PTSD...All becasue you people think I'm either (sniff, sniff) incompitent or inexperinced!

I don't like you all anymore (sniff,sniff)

Slim ;D