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I really, really hope this isn't a case of the bad guys wiring up some developmentally challenged individual to throw a decoy into the mix, to make the troops even MORE jumpy, or to have a "lookit who they're shooting now" victim.

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Two civilians shot as tension rises in Kandahar
Graeme Smith, Globe & Mail, 17 Feb 07
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Two civilians were shot dead by NATO troops Saturday during separate incidents in Kandahar, adding to rising tensions in a province that had been enjoying a winter lull in the violence.

One of the shootings proved to be somewhat bizarre. Around 3:40 p.m, a Canadian convoy was driving west along a main highway when they encountered a man walking down the centre line, about 12 kilometres outside the city.

The convoy slowed as it approached the man, a military spokesman said.

He was heard mumbling to himself and chanting, and soldiers noticed wires sticking out from his clothing.

He ignored warnings stay back from the Canadian vehicles, and wasn't scared away by warning shots. Soldiers opened fire on him.

"It's pretty safe to say the people in the convoy felt threatened," said Lieutenant-Commander Kris Phillips, a Canadian military spokesman.

A bomb disposal team was called to the scene, and determined that the man wasn't carrying anything explosive. But they did notice a strange contraption attached to his chest, LCdr. Phillips said, consisting of straps, multi-coloured wires, and rubbery tubing.

"The behaviour of this individual is somewhat perplexing," he said.

A second shooting earlier in the day involved NATO forces, not Canadian, whose nationality was not immediately released. A NATO statement said a man darted between the vehicles of a stopped convoy near Kandahar Airfield. Troops flashed a light at him and fired warning shots in an attempt to stop him, the statement said, but when he kept moving a gunner opened fire.

The man was not treated for his injuries until after an explosives team had searched him for bombs, and found none. He later died of his wounds in a military hospital at nearby Kandahar Air Field.

"Local nationals are encouraged to keep clear of all convoys, whether they are moving or stopped," said Lt. Col. Angela Billings, a NATO spokeswoman, in a statement ....
 
Seditionist using mentally handicapped people to pretend to be suicide bombers?To use as propaganda when Canadians kill "an innocent man" from the locals town no doubt.

If so...that's noisome.
 
EX_RCAC_011 said:
Seditionist using mentally handicapped people to pretend to be suicide bombers?To use as propaganda when Canadians kill "an innocent man" from the locals town no doubt.

If so...that's noisome.

Like I say, I hope I'm wrong.  Then again, if they're using kids as human shields....
 
From a civvie perspective.......
This spring feels a little like last spring.

-Advertising a new offensive.
-Training suicide bombers.
-Weird experimental probing to see how Canadians will react.

I think this is the Taliban's way of gathering intel.
 
I was about to post this story with the exact same assumption of a 'taliban tactic' as everyone has stated above. So much for thinking I'm orginal.  :-[

Perhaps it is time we started to employ non-lethal weapons as a way to counter this new 'tactic'
maybe tazers, bean bag shot, nets, those green lights that make you want to vomit, with all soldiers
I know that there is the argument -- too much time to risk it, if he is a suicide bomber. But I haven't done D and S so perhaps someone could explain a method to employ such weapons.

That said, you have to admit -- strategically speaking -- this is a brilliant Propaganda tactic.
-It tars our image to not only the local population but also to Canadians;
-It puts soldiers on edge and makes us more prone to react using deadly force;
-It shows our methods of response and is  good probing tactic;
-Who the hell is going to believe us (civy Canadians) when we say that this guy was a Taliban pawn who was there to damage our image.

Same mentality when placing landmines; put out a few dud ones mixed in with the real ones to confuse and unerve the enemy.

 
Radio Checker,

Without bordering on OPSEC, I will say certain measures are already in place.
 
The Taliban CONSTANTLY used civilians to try to "screw with us".
Seeing how close they could get to us before we shoot.
Seeing how much BS we'll put up with before acting.

Pretty smart. Best case senario they 'template' us and worst case we shoot someone and it's a properganda victory for them.
 
Two unarmed Afghans killed by NATO troops
Updated Sat. Feb. 17 2007 4:54 PM ET
Canadian Press

KANDAHAR, Afghanistan -- Two unarmed Afghan civilians were shot and killed by NATO forces in a pair of bizarre, seemingly unrelated, incidents Saturday.

One episode, 12 kilometres west of Kandahar, involved a Canadian battle group patrol and a man the army implied may have been mentally unstable.

Separately, unidentified alliance troops opened fire and killed a second man who ran in between vehicles of a parked convoy in the pre-dawn hours, near Kandahar Airfield.

The early-morning incident did not involve Canadians and military officials declined to say what nationality they might be.

"There were two incidents today, very similar sounding in nature,'' said Lt.-Cmdr. Kris Phillips, a spokesman for the Canadian Forces.

"I can't speak about the first incident but the second incident involved us and took place on the highway out towards the Zhari-Panjwaii area.''
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070217/afghan_civilians_070217/20070217?hub=World

Canadian troops kill unarmed Afghan civilian
Last Updated: Saturday, February 17, 2007 | 6:34 PM ET
CBC News

Canadian troops in southern Afghanistan killed an unarmed man Saturday as he walked toward their convoy chanting and wearing what appeared to be explosives around his torso, a military spokesman said.

It was the second deadly shooting of civilians that day by NATO troops in Afghanistan.
http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2007/02/17/afghan-shooting.html
 
TN2IC said:

I find this comment terribly funny, coming as it does from someone who misspelled "sexiest" in their own signature block.  I suggest you concentrate on your own spelling, grammar and proofreading skills before you deign to comment on others. 
 
More of the same probing, elsewhere?

Attempted suicide bomb attack in Khowst
ISAF news release # 2007-117, 20 February 2007
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FORWARD OPERATING BASE SALERNO, Afghanistan (20 February) – At approximately 11 a.m. today, a suicide bomber attempted to attack the opening of Khowst City hospital’s new Emergency Room, injuring a number of ISAF troops.  A civilian vehicle approached and failed to stop at an Afghan National Security Force checkpoint. ISAF troops opened fire, forcing the driver to exit the car. As the bomber continued to approach the gathering, ISAF soldiers tackled him to the ground where he self-detonated.  Six ISAF personnel were injured in the attack and have been evacuated to an ISAF medical facility for treatment.  The incident is under investigation by ISAF and Afghan officials.


ANA, ISAF checkpoint threatened
ISAF news release # 2007-116, 20 February 2007
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BAGRAM AIRFIELD, Afghanistan (20 February) – Yesterday afternoon at approximately 5.15 p.m. ISAF forces and Afghan National Army were involved in an incident that resulted in the death of an Afghan civilian after he refused to stop at a checkpoint in Zabul province.  A vehicle sped at high speed through an ANA checkpoint near the site of Sunday’s helicopter crash and swerved toward some ANA soldiers. The ANA soldiers jumped out of the way and the vehicle continued further towards an ISAF unit securing the crash site.  ISAF troops gave hand signals and verbal warning in an attempt to stop the vehicle. The vehicle continued at a high speed towards an ISAF soldier. Disabling shots were fired at the vehicle by ISAF troops. The driver was killed and a passenger injured in the engagement.


ISAF forces receive fire in Kandahar City
ISAF news release # 2007-115, 19 February 2007
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KANDAHAR, Afghanistan (19 February) – Last night, shortly before midnight, an ISAF convoy was fired upon twice with small arms fire and rockets whilst traveling though Kandahar City, resulting in 2 deaths as described below.  One ISAF vehicle sustained damage during the first attack and the convoy subsequently stopped. At this time the convoy received additional small arms fire and was approached by an Afghan civilian man. Despite repeated warning to move away from the convoy, he continued to approach; warning shots were fired and ignored. ISAF troops, acting in self defense, fired upon the individual, killing him.  Two additional armed civilians in dark clothing, advancing towards the convoy in low visibility, failed to heed warning shots, were then engaged by ISAF forces. It was subsequently determined that one of the individuals, an Afghan National Policeman, was killed.  “All civilians are encouraged to stay back from ISAF patrols and heed their warnings, or ISAF may have to resort to the use of lethal force in self defense,” said Col. Tom Collins, ISAF spokesman.  A thorough investigation into the details surrounding these incidents is underway in consultation with the Ministry of Interior.

 
SamIAm said:
I find this comment terribly funny, coming as it does from someone who misspelled "sexiest" in their own signature block.  I suggest you concentrate on your own spelling, grammar and proofreading skills before you deign to comment on others. 

Or how about this from his profile: And no the 5 ton doesn't fit threw the Timmies window...
 
milnewstbay said:
  ...A civilian vehicle approached and failed to stop at an Afghan National Security Force checkpoint. ISAF troops opened fire, forcing the driver to exit the car. As the bomber continued to approach the gathering, ISAF soldiers tackled him to the ground where he self-detonated.  Six ISAF personnel were injured in the attack...

Its easy to be an armchair quaterback but it just seems like this is an unusual thing to do given the number of SBIED's out there...

I'll reserve any judgement since I wasnt there. Godspeed to the injured troops
 
I find this comment terribly funny, coming as it does from someone who misspelled "sexiest" in their own signature block.

Always the way with those types of people. Quick to criticize in others when they should be concentrating on their own faults first.

Cheers.
 
When I read about this incident the first thing that sprang to mind was "Setup"

War and insurgency are really messy businesses.  :(
 
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