The Capital Punishment Debate

[Altair]

apples and oranges. Doesn't make it wrong nor does being in the company of Europe make it right. Capital punishment is far more humane than being incarcerated for your life and that should be the alternative. Morals and justice are not supposed to be based upon what your neighbour feels is right. It should be base upon an absolute and the absolute should be when you take another's life yours should forfeit your own

Like i said, great company.

We should have a face off with China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran as to how many criminals we can kill in a year.

Great fun!

 

[Altair]

I meant old-fashioned.

By the end of the 19th Century, the rope was already being replaced by the chair.

Why so narrow in scope?

Draw and quartering, Crucifixion, Ling Chi, Brazen Bull.

If we are going to do it, might as well go big.

 

[YZT580]

Like i said, great company.

We should have a face off with China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran as to how many criminals we can kill in a year.

Great fun!

you do like to dodge the issues don't you? Nothing that was written by anyone other than yourself is suggesting anything of the kind.

 

[Altair]

you do like to dodge the issues don't you? Nothing that was written by anyone other than yourself is suggesting anything of the kind.

If we are going to embrace capital pubishment why not do as others do?

Is it wrong or something?

 

[rmc_wannabe]

Gonna quibble with this. Rehabilitation is neither a default, nor is it rare. Lots of people end up falling into crime for a time and eventually get out of it and carry on with life. That’s not to say everyone can or will given the right circumstances; some criminals are incorrigible, some are simply predators. We need to better separate these from society for as long as it takes. But for many others, crime is situational and economic. Maturity also has a lot to do with it; there’s a reason crime is heavily concentrated in young men.

I am with you 100 percent here, having been standing in the edge of this abyss before Cadets and the CAF pulled me away from the cliff.

Desperate people do desperate things. People brought up in a lifestyle and knowing no better continue the cycle. Early intervention/rehabilitation programs statistically tend to be cheaper and without destroying societies in the process.

But anyway, I know the conversation is more about the worst of the worst; predators preying on people. We need an option to reliably remove some from society until they die.

And I agree fully here.

I would even go as so far as to expand that to medical confinement in some cases.

Some folks I have dealt with are great when they are sober, taking their meds, and are receiving on-going support. The second they're left to their own devices... back to square one.

Insay this as someone with an extensive personal voyage through the addiction/mental health system: being able to function within society is a privilege that should escape a sizeable demographic.

 

[mariomike]

Why so narrow in scope?

Draw and quartering, Crucifixion, Ling Chi, Brazen Bull.

If we are going to do it, might as well go big.

Those are Old School !

 

[Jarnhamar]

If we are going to embrace capital pubishment why not do as others do?

Is it wrong or something?

Wait until you hear about the secret deal between China and the RCMP.

 

[Altair]

Wait until you hear about the secret deal between China and the RCMP.

Maybe in another thread.

 

[Altair]

Those are Old School !

Yes, but i would modernize some aspects.

Like the saudi chop chop square. Or televise it.

 

[Jarnhamar]

Maybe in another thread.

It was in your Liberal government thread, you must have missed it.

 

[Altair]

It was in your Liberal government thread, you must have missed it.

Yeah, sure.

So long as we dont derail this very entertaining thread.

 

[The Bread Guy]

Like i said, great company.

We should have a face off with China, Saudi Arabia, and Iran as to how many criminals we can kill in a year.

Easy to cherry pick the worst examples. From your own list, less "zero-tolerance, top-down governance" countries like Japan, Taiwan, the United States - even Israel these days - aren't exactly known for having blood flowing in the streets because of willy-nilly executions.

That said, if life REALLY meant "die in prison, never to be seen any more on the streets," some of the death penalty arguments could lose friction.

As for me, as much as the retribution part appeals to a part of me, those few mistakes make me uncomfortable endorsing it whole hog.

As others smarter than me have said before/elsewhere, if some people are willing to have a few mistakes with a capital punishment system as the cost of making sure the worst are gone, I suspect those people would think differently if it was a loved one of theirs who had to make the sacrifice.

I won't say those OK with some mistakes being willing to take a bullet/needle in a mistaken conviction because someone actually said they would