The CF Bloated Rank Structure
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True story.
Many, many years ago I stormed into my boss's office â “ he was a RAdm â “ in quite high dungeon about the doings of some idiot one star out in the boonies.
The boss chuckled and said, â Å“OK, [Rusty], agreed; dumb as a bag of hammers but, did he really do any harm?â ?
â Å“No,â ? I replied, then â Å“come to think of it, I don't think they do anything, harmful or not.â ?
â Å“Exactly,â ? said the Admiral. â Å“Don't forget,â ? he said, â Å“promotion boards aren't perfect;after all you're still waiting, no? Sometimes they really drop a clanger, Brigadier So-and-so is a case in point â “ now that he's got one star we discover he's a bungling incompetent â “ so we put him in the harmless HQ, the one which doesn't do anything.â ?
I left happy, well happier, anyway ...
Back in my day, when the earth was still cooling the VCDS was the 'general manager' and the CDS's real, working deputy. The DCDS was the head of the (embryonic) joint staff â “ responsible for plans and operations.
Many, many years ago I stormed into my boss's office â “ he was a RAdm â “ in quite high dungeon about the doings of some idiot one star out in the boonies.
The boss chuckled and said, â Å“OK, [Rusty], agreed; dumb as a bag of hammers but, did he really do any harm?â ?
â Å“No,â ? I replied, then â Å“come to think of it, I don't think they do anything, harmful or not.â ?
â Å“Exactly,â ? said the Admiral. â Å“Don't forget,â ? he said, â Å“promotion boards aren't perfect;after all you're still waiting, no? Sometimes they really drop a clanger, Brigadier So-and-so is a case in point â “ now that he's got one star we discover he's a bungling incompetent â “ so we put him in the harmless HQ, the one which doesn't do anything.â ?
I left happy, well happier, anyway ...
Back in my day, when the earth was still cooling the VCDS was the 'general manager' and the CDS's real, working deputy. The DCDS was the head of the (embryonic) joint staff â “ responsible for plans and operations.
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Re Vice CDS and Deputy CDS think in terms of G2 and G3.
One is responsible for policy and adm as well as being second in line to the throne while the other is responsible for operations. The Vice appears to handle discipline, policy and relations with the Civil Service while the DCDS is responsible for Joint Forces and Liason Officers on international postings etc..
That may be an incorrect appreciation but it is what I have gleaned from looking at wiring diagrams. Somebody else can correct me but it looks as if both gents have ample opportunity to earn their pay.
Cheers.
One is responsible for policy and adm as well as being second in line to the throne while the other is responsible for operations. The Vice appears to handle discipline, policy and relations with the Civil Service while the DCDS is responsible for Joint Forces and Liason Officers on international postings etc..
That may be an incorrect appreciation but it is what I have gleaned from looking at wiring diagrams. Somebody else can correct me but it looks as if both gents have ample opportunity to earn their pay.
Cheers.
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Hmmm. VCDS = G1/G4 and comptroller - thomk of the "institutional CF
DCDS =G3, think deployable and deployed CF. All overseas missions are under the aegis of DCDS (not sure about routine naval ops...).
If there is a domestic op, then the Area Comd, once he has generated the Forces, gets chopped to DCDS (and does not take operational direction from the CLS).
DCDS =G3, think deployable and deployed CF. All overseas missions are under the aegis of DCDS (not sure about routine naval ops...).
If there is a domestic op, then the Area Comd, once he has generated the Forces, gets chopped to DCDS (and does not take operational direction from the CLS).
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Thanks for the info all... I guess I was just being too lazy to look up the info myself and asked a question based on the "sameness" of title. It would make sense to break it up the way it was explained... no overlap at all really. Next time I'll read first...
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Anyway I got bored so I decided to find the answers to some questions posted earlier by Infanteer . Infanteer found the site ( http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/dsa/engraph/home_e.asp) that lists all senior officer and CWO/CPO appointments. I counted 80 flag officers, a lot of assistant/deputy/vice chief of something or other. A few things I noted, we have someone in the position of Surgeon General (Brig-Gen). A person would think they would be in charge of the medical branch but no, we have a person with title of "COMMANDER DIRECTOR GENERAL HEALTH SERVICES - CANADIAN FORCES MEDICAL GROUP HQ" this person a Maj-Gen. Another one I liked "SPECIAL ADVISOR TO THE CHIEF OF THE DEFENCE STAFF FOR DEFENCE POLICY REVIEW AND HOMELAND SECURITY ISSUES" a Lt-Gen. They used to post Col appointments, but I guess it his hard to justify to the public why a Col has to be an" Executive deputy assistant...". However it only lists the most senior of CWO/CPO postions (48 to be exact).
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I can answer for this:
The Surg Gen office is responsible only for medical care and reports to DGHS, where as DGHS office is responsible for all force health protection, provision of dental and medical care, and mental health and reports to the DCDS. BTW there is a Dental General who is a full Col who answers to the DGHS as well.
The Surg Gen office is responsible only for medical care and reports to DGHS, where as DGHS office is responsible for all force health protection, provision of dental and medical care, and mental health and reports to the DCDS. BTW there is a Dental General who is a full Col who answers to the DGHS as well.
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New life to a tired post!!!
What is the most Bloated (ie girthfull) rank?
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What is the most Bloated (ie girthfull) rank?
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