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The Corporal‘s Report

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Branching off from our "Obsolete Equipment" thread, has anyone read the "Corporol‘s Report" in the current Army Doctrine and Training Bulletin (Vol. 3/Number 5). It can be found online at
http://armyapp.dnd.ca/ael/ADTB-BDIAT.asp

Good ideas. I think I generally support the idea of niche-roling the Canadian forces in order to better plug ourselves into coalition operations (which is part and parcel of our defence doctrine). How about the ideas surrounding the regimental system?
Let the discussion begin....
 
I‘m currently reading the Guest Editorial;
Rebuilding the Canadian Army: The lessons of
Sparta and Athens by Sgt Arthur Majoor, CD in
that volume.

Very good read
 
I think the Regimental system is a good one. Have spent my first 9 years in 1 PPCLI and 2 Cdo lets me have an opinion. I read the article the two Cpl’s wrote and I agree with 99% of what they said except for disbanding the regiments. With a little bit of thought I think they are worth keeping. Don’t get me started on the disbanding of the CAR.
 
The Regimental system, works fine. I don‘t seeing any diiferent than a numbered system, only that you have pride in your Regiment. They do need to work re-tooling the forces to work with new budgets and small size of the forces. I liked the report but will with have to re-read to give a more detailed post here. I‘m not sure if they needed to sell everything to buy new stuff, but the forces should budget for upgrades in the first contact. I.E. when they purchased the CF-188‘s they should of had part of order on hold for new models after 10-15 years so the fleet stays more current.
 
Some ideas were good, others not.

* I wouldn‘t take the 60mm mortar out of the infantry Coy‘s weapons det. Relying on another unit to take care of a crucial asset like mortar will lead to delays in getting bombs downrange.

*Relpacing all of our ‘real‘ artillery assets (SP 155mm and T 105mm guns) with an SP 120mm mortar seems pretty stupid to me. We should just upgrade the SP 155mm to the A6 ‘Paladin‘ model and stick with the towed arty we already have.

*Replacing a Leopard tank with a 8x8 wheeled APC with a 105mm gun on top seems incredibly stupid to me. If only we had the money for some nice Leopard 2‘s or failing that, M1A1/2 Abrams. I‘d take tracks over wheels anyday.

*I do like the ideas of getting rid of the ADATS and TUA and replacing it with LAV counterparts, but this should only be done if we have the capability to air lift them. LAVs are alot taller than an M-113 and have a hard time fitting in a C-130 in one piece.

*Selling our CF-188‘s and switching them with F-16‘s or CF-5‘s (even worse) is counter-productive.

*Personally, I‘d rather stick with the Regimental system. Better to have a name than to be another number.

Anyways, we wouldn‘t have these problems if it weren‘t for the government. The Liberal party of Canada has nothing but contempt for the military and views it as a neccesary evil at best. No wonder it‘s so ****ty after 10 straight years of LiEberal gutting.

Tyler
 
We had a large discussion here on the Regimental System not long ago.

There is really no reason to get rid of it, but there is just as little reason to keep it either.

The comment about not being able to have pride in a numbered unit is absolutely false. My regiment did not mobilize for World War One; it contributed troops to a numbered battalion of the CEF, the Tenth. The Tenth drew troops from the 103rd Calgary Rifles and the 106th Winnipeg Light Infantry.

Guess what - it didn‘t bring ANY of these regimental traditions with them - no black buttons, no buglehorns, just a numbered battalion. Well guess what again - they were cited several times as being one of the best units in the 1st Division; Currie himself noted that of all the units he had personal experience with, the Tenth was the best at reorganizing after a show and being ready for the next one. The battalion won two VCs and kept an Association going strong into the 1990s when the last Tenth Battalion vet passed away. The association bought itself a new Colour - after the war - and lobbied to get Kitcheners‘ Wood as a battle honour for the 10th. These guys had pride! Their nickname was never anything more than THE FIGHTING TENTH.

The CEF as a whole consisisted of "numbered units", some of which drew traditions from Canadian regiments - but most did not. They simply created their own. "Tobin‘s Tigers", "Lethbridge Highlanders", etc.

You could rename PPCLI as 2nd Canadian Infantry Regiment and men would still feel the same amount of pride, because that comes from training, comradeship, achievement, and other factors external to the regiment.

Don‘t get me wrong - you would definitely have lost some things, but operational effectiveness wouldn‘t be one of them. You would have morale problems for those already in, and I do believe recruiting. I think bossi talked about the recruiting value of a Highland regiment, and he‘s right - it is also of use to let you join the same regiment your father served in, or grandfather.

But you also would have NOTHING to gain by dropping the regimental system either. I am in favour of keeping it, but I want to point out that many armies do have pride in their numbered units, and have fought very well with them. The Wehrmacht got rid of regimental distinctions in the 1930s ("1st Saxon Regiment", "2nd Bavarian") and though they did have regional affiliations for their regiments, and reflected this in the divisional titles (which we rarely see reference to in English), the only real distinction they used to differentiate in the majority of cases was a number on the shoulder strap - which was deleted after the outbreak of war in 1939 as a security measure.

Those same traditionless regiments took over all of Europe and fought a skilled defence of it when they started losing.
 
I think the reason that the US uses numbers instead of names is because they have so many units.Imagine trying to find names for all those battalions and companies?

Someone told me that they will not be taking the 60mm morta out of the infantry platoons, only the larger mortars.
 
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