The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Lumber]

You mean like he and his cabal threatening to sue Parliament because Parliament wanted to know the details of the Chinese foreign nationals working in Canada’s National Microbiology Laboratory in Winnipeg that has a redacted material transfer record between the NML and Wuhan Institute of Virology in 2019 just before COVID? Apparently not only regular Canadians but Members of Parliament don’t need to know what shenanigans were happening between Trudeau’s and Xi Jinping’s governments…

Well, they dropped that suit, yet the opposition parties have not re-taken up their effort to get the documents.

Maybe it's because the truth is as simple as it seems; the transfer of virus and information to Wuhan was done legally and appropriately within existing sharing of research arrangements, and the firing of the two scientists had everything to do with an administrative matter involving policy. PHAC is refusing to releasing documents because those scientists are protected by the privacy act, among other reasons. Now, parliament (the opposition parties) does have the prerogative to demand those documents despite any acts to the contrary, which is what they originally did, so why did they stop? Maybe it's because they realized through other means that the situation is not some grand conspiracy.

 

[QV]

An "administrative matter involving policy" that brought in CSIS and RCMP investigators?

Do public servants usually get escorted away by the RCMP over administrative matters?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Alberta's move is a terrible one for our democracy. The law they are trying to pass basically makes them less accountable to anyone and is a direct assault on our democracy. Just as JT and his goons are doing their best to make a mockery of our laws and systems, Alberta is doing the same, claiming to protect them.

Looks a lot like something Mr Orban in Hungary would like for legislation.

The people of Alberta will decide how terrible this is for democracy.

Personally I would like to see all provinces start to go this route.

 

[Lumber]

An "administrative matter involving policy" that brought in CSIS and RCMP investigators?

Do public servants usually get escorted away by the RCMP over administrative matters?

1. Given the fact the two were involved in such sensitive work and that involved China, it makes perfect sense that CSIS and the RCMP would be called in to investigate whether any damage to national security had occurred. Just off the top of my head, perhaps they shared research data with China that was allowed to be shared but was first required to be vetted by someone higher up, but they sent the information before getting formal approval. Maybe it was nothing more than the results of a purely scientific test that was expected to be sent to China, but not until after the proper signatures had been applied. So, they broke the rules and got fired, but CSIS and the RCMP were called in to make sure it was no more than an administrative error, and not them actually spying for China.

2. It's the National Microbiology Lab, ergo, RCMP.

 

[Lumber]

The people of Alberta will decide how terrible this is for democracy.

Personally I would like to see all provinces start to go this route.

I'll share this response from @Brad Swallow because he said it best:

Just noting that if some of the powers the proposed legislation grants to the premier and some other strap-hangers are what I read them to be, the legislation needs to be rejected. No point railing against the problem of the power of the PMO federally and then defending similar fuckery at the provincial level.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I'll share this response from @Brad Swallow because he said it best:

Pushing for more provincial autonomy and the issues surrounding the PMO and its power aren't really the same thing.

In fact I would argue the push for autonomy is a direct response to the PMO power trip.

 

[QV]

1. Given the fact the two were involved in such sensitive work and that involved China, it makes perfect sense that CSIS and the RCMP would be called in to investigate whether any damage to national security had occurred. Just off the top of my head, perhaps they shared research data with China that was allowed to be shared but was first required to be vetted by someone higher up, but they sent the information before getting formal approval. Maybe it was nothing more than the results of a purely scientific test that was expected to be sent to China, but not until after the proper signatures had been applied. So, they broke the rules and got fired, but CSIS and the RCMP were called in to make sure it was no more than an administrative error, and not them actually spying for China.

2. It's the National Microbiology Lab, ergo, RCMP.

1. And perhaps the data wasn't allowed to be shared. We're both entertaining hypotheticals.

2. RCMP are not part of the public service administrative measures. Nor are they the police of jurisdiction in Winnipeg, unless it is a matter of national security. This does not support your hypothetical, which seems to be: "is everything is fine here they just broke a rule."

 

[Jarnhamar]

The people of Alberta will decide how terrible this is for democracy.

Personally I would like to see all provinces start to go this route.

What's the gist of what they're trying to do?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Sask introduces Firearms Act to protect firearms owners from Trudeau’s gun grab

To protect the public, the Saskatchewan government supports policies going after firearms used by criminals.

www.westernstandard.news

 

[Halifax Tar]

What's the gist of what they're trying to do?

@QV posted it somewhere in here...

 

[Fishbone Jones]

I'm waiting for the findings of the POEC. If he and his party, get properly nailed to the cross, I MAY start believing in the system again.

However, I expect the whole gang to be exonerated or mildly rebuked. If he doesn't shut down parliament before it's completed. The decision will be clogged with what ifs and reams of recommendations to revamp the Act. Nobody, except maybe the protestors, will be demonized or held to account. They will slap each other on the wrist while proclaiming, "Don't do that again. K?"

Either there will be a true finding of malfeasance.

Or as normal, he'll turn into a phoenix, burn himself down, then reappear, rejuvenated and ready with a whole new host of lies and offshore donations.

 

[OldSolduer]

Nobody, except maybe the protestors, will be demonized or held to account.

The protestors have been demonized to the extent that those that donated to the Freedom Convoy may be named in the lawsuit.

I didn't like the convoy and I did not like the response to it by the OPS, the PM and his toadies.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

The protestors have been demonized to the extent that those that donated to the Freedom Convoy may be named in the lawsuit.

I'll be waiting for my summons then.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/za8fog

Posting this thread from a subreddit I follow. If you read reddit you'll note that this particular Sub is pretty hard left but it might be some comfort to some here to know that even the hard left seem to not like this new proposed law.

I was surprised to read the comments in that thread as normally I would expect the members of that sub to be extremely Pro-Lib/NDP and not break with the party line.

 

[Halifax Tar]

https://www.reddit.com/r/CanadaPolitics/comments/za8fog

Posting this thread from a subreddit I follow. If you read reddit you'll note that this particular Sub is pretty hard left but it might be some comfort to some here to know that even the hard left seem to not like this new proposed law.

I was surprised to read the comments in that thread as normally I would expect the members of that sub to be extremely Pro-Lib/NDP and not break with the party line.

I hate the structure of the forums there. I cant follow the discussion.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I hate the structure of the forums there. I cant follow the discussion.

Same I really don't like the Reddit format.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Reading this amendment again, am I to understand Lee Enfield's are now bad boy guns ?

They are bolt action, but they can accept a detachable magazine that can hold up to 10 rounds.

 

[SeaKingTacco]

Reading this amendment again, am I to understand Lee Enfield's are now bad boy guns ?

They are bolt action, but they can accept a detachable magazine that can hold up to 10 rounds.

Of course it is a bad boy gun.

All guns are bad.

There are a whole bunch of casual firearms owners who did not bother to defend hand gun/AR owners now waking up to the fact the Liberals are coming for everything.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Of course it is a bad boy gun.

All guns are bad.

There are a whole bunch of casual firearms owners who did not bother to defend hand gun/AR owners now waking up to the fact the Liberals are coming for everything.

I completely agree with you. I already stand to lose a few rifles, not including my LE collection.

We firearms owners are a terribly divided subculture.

 

[Haggis]

Reading this amendment again, am I to understand Lee Enfield's are now bad boy guns ?

They are bolt action, but they can accept a detachable magazine that can hold up to 10 rounds.

Lee Enfields are not semiautomatic so they are safe until the Liberals come for the sniper rifles.