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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

I think the guy has a RPAL(?) Im not sure what that means exactly if you get charged with a crime you dont lose your PAL do you lose your RPAL? One can be a criminal and have a license as long as you dont need to get caught.
The PAL is one document (card). That card allows you to possess/acquire either non-restricted and/or, if qualified, restricted firearms. If your PAL is seized/revoked/cancelled, you lose all possession/acquisition privileges.
Is there any information out there on how many PAL/RPAL's are refused and/or taken away and why?
In 2020 there were 1112 refusals. The most common reasons were the individual presented a risk to themselves or others or provided false information.
 
The PAL is one document (card). That card allows you to possess/acquire either non-restricted and/or, if qualified, restricted firearms. If your PAL is seized/revoked/cancelled, you lose all possession/acquisition privileges.

In 2020 there were 1112 refusals. The most common reasons were the individual presented a risk to themselves or others or provided false information.
yes but people seem to be under the impression that it happens and Im not so sure it does or under what conditions . eg if yoyu are charged
 
Charging the person who is acting in self defence has two serious knock on effects. It tells the public to lay down and take it no matter how long it takes LE to respond, and it reinforces the criminals in a belief that they can get away with anything as no one will defend themselves.
 
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Have there been any charges announce to those who (allegedly) broke into the home (or those who allegedly aided in the commission of a criminal offense)?
 
I dont care if the defendent had a criminal past they are still in their home.

Its FUN because its not done seriously or with any concern for the consequences or any repercussions to the officers or prosecuters at best/worst if its a high profile case with a good lawyer the public pays out but the vast majority of cases dont involve that

What I understand about this case is that, please correct me if I am wrong

up to 5 people attempted to do something
2 may have stayed in the vehicle and up to 3 entered the home
at least 1 of those 3 was armed and unlicensed, status of firearm unknown
1 of those individuals fired the weapon inside the home
1 of those individuals was killed in the course of the events
the defendent was a licensed firearm holder and was charged
i think you have the known numbers correct. what you and i do not know, is what actually transpired before, during and after. as i already stated. i believe someone kicking in your door with the intent of harming someone inside should be fair game. its just not the case in Canada. self defence is case dependent, and when not clear - its left to the judge to figure out. shit day if buddy did the right thing, but the right thing to do, if something else was involved that won't be heard until trial.
 
i think you have the known numbers correct. what you and i do not know, is what actually transpired before, during and after. as i already stated. i believe someone kicking in your door with the intent of harming someone inside should be fair game. its just not the case in Canada. self defence is case dependent, and when not clear - its left to the judge to figure out. shit day if buddy did the right thing, but the right thing to do, if something else was involved that won't be heard until trial.
I just dont think the majority of the cases that I read about should be going to trial at all. At some point we should figure it out and its not as complicated as some make it out to be. Its just another case of misplaced priorities of our justice system resulting in the opposite outcomes that I at least desire.

You can add to the above known suppositions that the defendent fired once and the intruder fired multiple times. I am curious what story the crown is going to try and sell to the jury that would even matter
 
I lost all faith that this country would treat someone who defended themselves with a firearm fairly after what happened to Ian Thompson.

Right now the onus to protect is all about the criminals and keeping their sorry lives intact rather than the victims who are suffering from said criminals misdeeds. Illegal possession of a firearm and using it in the commission of a crime should be a minimum sentence to life in prison. If you get shot or killed well committing that crime we should be thanking the individual responsible for ridding our society of that menace rather than charging them with anything.
 
Most of the recent self-defense precedent in Canada involves bad guy vs bad guy. There are a few that don't like Ian Thompson, a case that should have never happened in my opinion.
 
Theres also the case of the guys breaking into someones safe while he was away where he was charged with unsafe storage or something.
 
Theres also the case of the guys breaking into someones safe while he was away where he was charged with unsafe storage or something.
A little short on details.

Unsafe storage or transportation is a common charge because not a lot of LEOs understand safe storage and transportation laws as they are somewhat convoluted. I was told by one police officer that firearms and ammunition could not be transported in the same vehicle. Yet the regulations allow ammunition to be both stored and transported with a properly secured firearm.

I carry a copy of the storage and transportation regulations in my range bag for ready reference.

Gun owners sometimes do sink themselves by not properly unloading firearms before transporting them. Charges have been laid for owners having overlooked a chambered dummy round or failing to remove a magazine containing ammunition. In those two instances, a trigger lock was used. That's why I use cable locks through the magazine well and ejection port exclusively.
 
A little short on details.

Unsafe storage or transportation is a common charge because not a lot of LEOs understand safe storage and transportation laws as they are somewhat convoluted. I was told by one police officer that firearms and ammunition could not be transported in the same vehicle. Yet the regulations allow ammunition to be both stored and transported with a properly secured firearm.

I carry a copy of the storage and transportation regulations in my range bag for ready reference.

Gun owners sometimes do sink themselves by not properly unloading firearms before transporting them. Charges have been laid for owners having overlooked a chambered dummy round or failing to remove a magazine containing ammunition. In those two instances, a trigger lock was used. That's why I use cable locks through the magazine well and ejection port exclusively.
The guy was in Florida or something and stayed there for the entirety of his case until it was dropped. They tried to break in with torches etc..Figured someone here would remember it. Wasnt to long ago.

Point is firearms owners always seem to be targets. Even when there are more obvious criminals to pursue.

I dont generally take my firearms anywhere except the odd hunting trip. They are all at friends now as it has been over a year and I still havent got my renewal
 
You can add to the above known suppositions that the defendent fired once and the intruder fired multiple times. I am curious what story the crown is going to try and sell to the jury that would even matter
The Crown can't sell anything as a story that is not supported by evidence. Judges and juries are not stupid.
 
The Crown can't sell anything as a story that is not supported by evidence. Judges and juries are not stupid.
True but there is also punishment by process. Ian Thompson is still the perfect example of this, still being dragged through the court system well the scumbags who attempted to murder him and his family were already out. Plus the 60k in legal fees incurred to defend himself in court.

You don’t always need to be found guilty to suffer in this country.
 
The guy was in Florida or something and stayed there for the entirety of his case until it was dropped. They tried to break in with torches etc..Figured someone here would remember it. Wasnt to long ago.

Point is firearms owners always seem to be targets. Even when there are more obvious criminals to pursue.

I dont generally take my firearms anywhere except the odd hunting trip. They are all at friends now as it has been over a year and I still havent got my renewal
Yea I remember that case, took the thieves 3 days with saws, sledge hammers and power tools to break into his vault and he got charged with unsafe storage. You want to talk about a hostile Crown towards legal gun owners, that case and Ian Thompson case are prime examples. both people involved had even worked with police and law enforcement.
 
Taken from FB

The CCFR’s Tracey Wilson’s summary of the outcomes of the MCC report:

• Public Health Approach
• Learn from the success of AUS, UK, NZ gun bans
• They welcomed the long overdue changes like banning the Mini 14 ranch rifle
• Full ban on all semi auto – handguns, shotguns and rifles that discharge centrefire ammunition and are designed to accept detachable magazines with capacities of more than 5 rounds
• Prohibit magazines that have the ability to accept more than 5 rounds (pinned) to close the loopholes
• Require a PAL to possess ammunition
• Require a PAL to buy magazines
• Only allow purchase of ammunition for gun that the user is licensed for
• Introduce limits on amounts of ammo stockpiled or stored in homes
• Reform classifications and definitions for prohibited firearms to encompass more
• Remove prohibited guns from owners (buyback)
• Litanny of global stuff, UN regulations and such
• CFO “spousal support line” be renamed and manned 24/7 – publicized so any citizens can use it
• Craft guidelines for CFP staff to improve consistency in approval,disproval of PALs
• Set an auto review process for law enforcement PAL holders charged for IPV
• Require ID to be submitted with PAL apps
• Better data sharing
• Immediate revocation of PAL for anyone charged with IPV, hate crimes
• Suspend PAL even if charges are stayed or withdrawn until PAL holder can prove they’re not a danger ?
• Better consultation with indigenous
• Bequeth laws – better enforce rules for surviving family members, enforce PAL acquisition or destruction
• Mandate cops to stop smuggling and share data with other agencies
• Engage border towns to help cops stop smuggling and encourage the US to do this too
• Table legislation affirming gun ownership is a conditional privilege
• National Education campaign on reporting gun owners for safety concerns
• Create a national firearms hotline
• Support storage laws, enforce storage within homes, secure and subsidize storage facilities for owners in areas where storage is challenging
 
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