The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Eaglelord17]

Where are these Canadians killed or injured by 'assault rifles' in Canada?

Last I checked more people have been killed by the Remington 700 in this country than a AR-15 (as far as I am aware not a single person has been killed by a AR-15).

Frankly this whole thing is a joke. Tyranny by majority. A large number of uninformed ignorant people who don't even know what our laws are, think they should be tighter because they are too dumb to understand we are not the US and their news isn't ours.

If we had a serious gun violence issue in Canada we would know. If gun owners were as violent as the media portrays us to be, there wouldn't be any media speaking out against us.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

If you think this is about guns, you're not paying attention:

"Disarming the Canadian public is part of the new humanitarian social agenda"
"Canada will be one of the first unarmed countries in the world."

- Lloyd Axworthy, Liberal Foreign Affairs Minister 1998

Brazil beat us to it. Now look where they are.

 

[Jarnhamar]

As of 14 August 2019 there were 75,634 AR15s registered to Canadians.

Is it true there has been a total of 1 murder with an AR15 in Canada? Kevin Leclair?

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Everything I've seen has no murders with AR-15s. Didn't really look though.

 

[my72jeep]

One drug guy or a terrorist killed an other druggie of whatever with a ar smuggled in from the US. Back in 1994?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Seen this floating around FB.

Think this ends with ARs and Handguns ?

 

[Haggis]

Seen this floating around FB.

Think this ends with ARs and Handguns ?

Not a chance!

Your image, coupled with this now deleted tweet from the Polysesouvient group, is shaping the battlespace for full confiscation of everything but single shot long guns..

 

[Mister Donut]

As of 14 August 2019 there were 75,634 AR15s registered to Canadians.

Is it true there has been a total of 1 murder with an AR15 in Canada? Kevin Leclair?

Assuming Leclair was killed with an AR15, they want to ban something that has been used legally 99.99867784329799% of the time.

Pretty sure you can't get stats like that for a kitchen knife, baseball bat, or motor vehicle,

 

[Jarnhamar]

Assuming Leclair was killed with an AR15, they want to ban something that has been used legally 99.99867784329799% of the time.

Pretty sure you can't get stats like that for a kitchen knife, baseball bat, or motor vehicle,

When I searched for the above "sniper rifle story" (which turns out to be from April 2016, see below) the first story in Toronto that came up was a woman being hacked to death with a machete.
https://torontosun.com/news/crime/woman-killed-in-horrific-scarborough-machete-attack

Seems like machetes have killed more people in Canada than AR15s.


The sniper rifle, aka hunting rifle story
https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/toronto-man-murdered-in-driveway-was-shot-with-a-high-powered-sniper-rifle-from-180-metres-police




Another disgusting story.

Man charged in machete attack arrested in shooting of pregnant woman, boyfriend
“Three men, known to the man and woman, entered the unit armed with handguns,” Const. Jenniferjit Sidhu said Wednesday.

The intruders then opened fire on the man, 23, and woman, 20, while they were in bed and two kids, ages 8 and 4, were asleep in the next room.

The woman, who is three months’ pregnant, was hit in her upper chest but survived. Police say her unborn child was uninjured.

https://www.theobserver.ca/2017/07/05/trio-arrested-in-shooting-of-pregnant-woman-boyfriend/wcm/3bec3fe1-66ba-4030-bf72-fe5f7a4cfe3b


Good thing the Liberals want to make an election promise of taking the AR15 I use on shooting ranges away from me.

Toronto though, that sure sounds like a nice place to raise a family.

 

[mariomike]

Toronto though, that sure sounds like a nice place to raise a family.

I thought Metro was a good place to live, and a good employer.

So do others,

World Rankings for Toronto
https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/data-research-maps/toronto-progress-portal/world-rankings-for-toronto/

If you are worried about your personal safety,

These are the top 10 MOST DANGEROUS cities in Canada 2018:
https://www.iheartradio.ca/virginradio/edmonton/trending/the-top-10-most-dangerous-cities-in-canada-2018-1.8543815

 

[Mister Donut]

I thought Metro was a good place to live, and a good employer.

So do others,

World Rankings for Toronto
https://www.toronto.ca/city-government/data-research-maps/toronto-progress-portal/world-rankings-for-toronto/

If you are worried about your personal safety,

I'm surprised Surrey BC wasn't in the top ten

 

[Jarnhamar]

I thought Metro was a good place to live, and a good employer.

So do others

If you are worried about your personal safety,

GTA leads Canada in organized crime homicides, Statscan reveals in new gangland data
Jul 28, 2019
A clearer picture of the nation's criminal underworld emerged this week, as Statistics Canada released detailed data on organized crime for the first time in a decade.

Within the report were figures that show more murders linked to gang activity and traditional organized crime happened in the Greater Toronto Area last year than anywhere else in Canada.

Investigators say the new data is a boon for police as they try to figure out which criminal organizations to target. But the local homicide numbers also point to a region that's bucking a worldwide trend as its criminal organizations clash violently in a bid for power amidst increased instability, a leading expert says.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/organized-crime-statistics-1.5226940

 

[Mister Donut]

 

[daftandbarmy]

The gun thing really irks me.

Yet law-abiding firearm owners are the ones being vilified.

The reality is that, because we're Canada, as with the weather, if you don't like it just wait awhile....

 

[mariomike]

Within the report were figures that show more murders linked to gang activity and traditional organized crime happened in the Greater Toronto Area last year than anywhere else in Canada.

Because there's more people.

Greater Toronto Area ( GTA ) Population 6,417,526 people ( 2016 ).

Province of British Columbia
4.992 million (2018)

Province of Alberta
4.307 million (2018)

Montreal 1.78 million (2017)

Atlantic Canada combined 2.333 million (2016)
( New Brunswick, Nova Scotia, and Prince Edward Island – and the easternmost province of Newfoundland and Labrador combined ).

 

[Fishbone Jones]

Population would only be part of the equation

 

[brihard]

GTA leads Canada in organized crime homicides, Statscan reveals in new gangland data
Jul 28, 2019
A clearer picture of the nation's criminal underworld emerged this week, as Statistics Canada released detailed data on organized crime for the first time in a decade.

Within the report were figures that show more murders linked to gang activity and traditional organized crime happened in the Greater Toronto Area last year than anywhere else in Canada.

Investigators say the new data is a boon for police as they try to figure out which criminal organizations to target. But the local homicide numbers also point to a region that's bucking a worldwide trend as its criminal organizations clash violently in a bid for power amidst increased instability, a leading expert says.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/organized-crime-statistics-1.5226940

Further down in the article it normalizes gross numbers to the /100,000 population norm used in criminological comparison. Adjusted for population, the GTA’s murder rate is below that of the Vancouver area and Edmonton.

 

[mariomike]

Adjusted for population, the GTA’s murder rate is below that of the Vancouver area and Edmonton.

Toronto though, that sure sounds like a nice place to raise a family.

For reference,

Police-reported Crime Severity Index and crime rate, by census metropolitan area, 2018
https://www150.statcan.gc.ca/n1/daily-quotidien/190722/t004a-eng.htm

2018 – Crime Severity Index:

Canada 75.0
Toronto 53.6

2018 – Crime rate:

Canada 5,488
Toronto 3,428

Toronto's 2018 statistics would include the van attack on Yonge St. It was the deadliest attack of any kind ( terror or non-terror ) in the city's history.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Those interested in where violence happens should be drilling down to specific neighbourhoods and communities.

 

[observor 69]

Those interested in where violence happens should be drilling down to specific neighbourhoods and communities.

Watch local TO news and there is close to a shooting incident every day.
And as Brad says "specific neighbourhoods" are where most of it happens. Unfortunately there are a lot of innocent civilians caught in the crossfire. And some of these weapons are used outside these areas. If you hear TO talking about a handgun ban this is what is driving the concern. Shootings are occurring in public areas thruout the city. I live in a suburban TO community and serious gun violence is higher than in any past year I can recall.
Contributing causes ... drugs...proximity to the border !