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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

Apparently some nutbar went around Langley BC this morning shooting a number of homeless. No word on how many hurt or weapon used.
 
Apparently some nutbar went around Langley BC this morning shooting a number of homeless. No word on how many hurt or weapon used.
All of this from open source: Super messed up situation. There’s a photo of what looks like an RCMP unmarked SUV with eight bullet holes through the windshield on the driver’s side. Can’t tell if outgoing or incoming, but I do have reliable word that all police are OK. Either way it speaks to a desperate takedown.

Everything I’ve heard so far lines up with shooter targeting homeless. I don’t have anything reliable enough regarding number of victims.

Police confronted and stopped the shooter and he’s “in custody”. It’s not clear yet if he’s “in custody” as a prisoner or as an exhibit.

It’s only 10:30 there. Expect more updates later in the day. Very complex, multiple scenes.
 
Police confronted and stopped the shooter and he’s “in custody”. It’s not clear yet if he’s “in custody” as a prisoner or as an exhibit.
Some media outlets are reporting that the suspect was shot and killed by police AND is in custody.
 
You can have a body in custody...
Yeah, I know. But the original article - which has since been updated - made it sound like he was shot and killed (pronounced dead on-scene), then arrested and taken to cells.
 
Yeah, I know. But the original article - which has since been updated - made it sound like he was shot and killed (pronounced dead on-scene), then arrested and taken to cells.
That would make a mess...
 
Yeah, I know. But the original article - which has since been updated - made it sound like he was shot and killed (pronounced dead on-scene), then arrested and taken to cells.
Paul Newman (Judge Roy Bean) killed a cowboy for cheating at cards then held a trial and fined him eight dollars. I know I know before the earth cooled.
 
From the article.
The new survey found that more Americans believe that their best protection in a mass shooting situation is a nearby armed civilian, rather than police officers or federal agents. Respondents chose armed citizens as the best protection by 41.8% to 25.1% for local police and 10.3% for federal agents. About a fifth of people chose none of the above — 22.8%.
The Uvalde debacle has been the NRA's best publicity in decades.

Everyone now thinks the Police are useless.
 
The Uvalde debacle has been the NRA's best publicity in decades.

Everyone now thinks the Police are useless.
There have been a number of incidents that have eroded the publics faith in LE, Uvalde clown show was just the icing.
Rule #1: ABC (Always be Carrying) for you can only count on yourself.

One tends not to get a lot of press when LE shows up quickly and does the job - like the below
The latest news that I could find is three dead including shooter:


 
The Uvalde debacle has been the NRA's best publicity in decades.

Everyone now thinks the Police are useless.

I don't think you're wrong. I think the public, rightly, expects POs to move towards the danger or threat and take personal injury and death as a very real possibility of that employment. And that sacrifice is expected to try and save the victims.

I also think the vast majority of POs are willing to do that.
 
There have been a number of incidents that have eroded the publics faith in LE, Uvalde clown show was just the icing.
Rule #1: ABC (Always be Carrying) for you can only count on yourself.

One tends not to get a lot of press when LE shows up quickly and does the job - like the below
It's the classic "nobody needs a gun" .... that is.... "until they really do" and then they wish they had one 😉

I don't think you're wrong. I think the public, rightly, expects POs to move towards the danger or threat and take personal injury and death as a very real possibility of that employment. And that sacrifice is expected to try and save the victims.

I also think the vast majority of POs are willing to do that.
That's why the Army has this clever little trick:

They historically have employed DYMs in junior leadership roles. Otherwise known as Dumb Young Men. It takes a special type of idiot to yell "follow me" when SHTF 😎
 
It's the classic "nobody needs a gun" .... that is.... "until they really do" and then they wish they had one 😉


That's why the Army has this clever little trick:

They historically have employed DYMs in junior leadership roles. Otherwise known as Dumb Young Men. It takes a special type of idiot to yell "follow me" when SHTF 😎

Some people are the sheepdog, some people are the sheep... ;)
 
I know it's a forlorn hope, but with Canada current PAL system, a CCW program under the current ATC's would be quite doable and the quality of successful candidates would be quite high. A number of years ago there was a big push to get the ATC for the protection of life (aka ATC 3) One of the requirement was "acceptable level of training". There was a lot of people writing their CFO's to lay out what that training standard was. The CFO's refused to divulge what they considered acceptable because they knew that a course would be developed and people would meet and exceed that requirement, removing yet another obstacle to the permit. At this point the ATC 3 is a "Illusionary permit" to borrow a phrase from another area of law.
 
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