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The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

KevinB said:
I think Canadian gun owners should see if 47 will give them refugee status as discriminatory policies of the Canadian government are causing y’all undo hardships and suffering, both financially and mentally.
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Nice idea, but those are not grounds for refugee claims under any current treaties, but maybe we could build it into the new USMCA/CUSMA.

I'm pretty confident that if the 51st state idea were to ever come to pass that our current government would negotiate away 2A rights for former Canadians in exchange for something else.
 
Haggis said:
Nice idea, but those are not grounds for refugee claims under any current treaties, but maybe we could build it into the new USMCA/CUSMA.
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Refugees​

Under United States law, a refugee is someone who:

  • Is located outside of the United States
  • Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States
  • Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group
  • Is not firmly resettled in another country
  • Is admissible to the United States

Looks to me like Canadian Gun Owners fit that — especially under the current administration.

Haggis said:
I'm pretty confident that if the 51st state idea were to ever come to pass that our current government would negotiate away 2A rights for former Canadians in exchange for something else.
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Bold of you to think that Canada would get any say in Constitutional matters…
Besides we will never add another State, Puerto Rico and Washington DC won’t get State status as it would greatly upset the political balance.
 
KevinB said:

Refugees​

Under United States law, a refugee is someone who:

  • Is located outside of the United States
  • Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States
  • Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group
  • Is not firmly resettled in another country
  • Is admissible to the United States
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Given your current administrations interpretation of admissibility, this could be a problem for many.
KevinB said:
Besides we will never add another State, Puerto Rico and Washington DC won’t get State status as it would greatly upset the political balance.
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So, why does POTUS 47 keep bringing it up?

Now, back to the topic at hand.

A correction to my earlier post. The current amnesty orders only applies to those firearms banned in May 2020 and December 2024. They do not extend to the ban in March 2025. Those amnesty orders expire on October 30, 2025. There is no amnesty order covering the firearms banned in March 2025 so far, or any of the subsequent individual firearm bans (e.g. Sterling Arms R9, Mk1 banned in July 2025). If Minister Anandasangaree extends the amnesty, will it include all banned firearms?
 
Haggis said:
The Ontario Provincial Police have decided to not participate in the compensated confiscation (TM) scheme. The Public Safety Minister said a number of police services have already signed on but refused to say which ones. He's still confident everything banned will be rounded up by the end of 2026. He also acknowledged that the original amnesty covering the May 2020 ban will need to be extended, again, as it expires in about six weeks, but there are no details on how/if that will be done and if it will also cover the firearms captured in subsequent bans.

Edit to include the link to the news article.
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In spirit I'm happy to see the OPP fucking off this shitty program.

In practice it helps the Liberals immensely. Private gun owners will never see a dollar for their firearms. The Liberal party will extend the gun buyback indefinitely until they're out of office.

The only thing that might change that is if Canadian gun owners started randomly dumping firearms and ammunition in the big cities.
 
Jarnhamar said:
In practice it helps the Liberals immensely. Private gun owners will never see a dollar for their firearms. The Liberal party will extend the gun buyback indefinitely until they're out of office.
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That's an acceptable short term outcome for me. So long as the next Gov reverses all this malarky.
 
KevinB said:

Refugees​

Under United States law, a refugee is someone who:

  • Is located outside of the United States
  • Is of special humanitarian concern to the United States
  • Demonstrates that they were persecuted or fear persecution due to race, religion, nationality, political opinion, or membership in a particular social group
  • Is not firmly resettled in another country
  • Is admissible to the United States

Looks to me like Canadian Gun Owners fit that — especially under the current administration.


Bold of you to think that Canada would get any say in Constitutional matters…
Besides we will never add another State, Puerto Rico and Washington DC won’t get State status as it would greatly upset the political balance.
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Shit... looks like the whole of Alberta fits that bill. And they have oil. :ROFLMAO:
 
Waiting to see how much will be allocated to the compensated confiscation (TM) scheme when the first new budget is tabled by PMMC in November 2025. Then we'll know if they intent to pay fair market value as promised or pennies on the dollar as expected.
 
KevinB said:
Hey we let a slew of white South Africans in…
The key would be to be able to bring your collection with you.
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Just sold some Landrover parts to a South African who did two tours in Angola in Ratels and AML90's. He missed the T-55 ambush, but they did find a running, fully functional T-55 abandoned in the middle of the road.
 
NavyShooter said:
New class of firearms license being created - 12(9) prohib. No confiscation, no ability to shoot, no ability to buy/sell, no cost, must be locked up until you die.

Welcome to my life as a 12(5) owner. I haven't been able to take my FN to the range since 2005.
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I’ll take it. That can always be reversed. Confiscation is permanent.
 
Well, it appears that Minister Anandasangaree has really stepped in it this time.

In a recorded conversation with a constituent who is also a gun owner, the Minister was heard to say that:

The individual buyback launches Tuesday (tomorrow, 2025.09.23) with pilot project in Cape Breton;
Funds to support it are "capped" at $742M, after it's exhausted you get nothing (probably because PBO predicted a cost of at least $750M);
Admits if he had to start over they'd scrap it but it was a campaign promise;
Blames pressure from Quebec, the vital ground of Polysesouvient and home of anti-gun Liberal MP Nathalie Provost.;
Implies it won't be enforced by police who want nothing to do with it;
Admits gun owners will not get fair compensation;
Offers to pay this constituent the difference between fair market value and what they may receive, if anything, from the program;
Offers to pay bail for the constituent if he practises non compliance and gets arrested.

Watch for the announcement tomorrow, unless he gets fired overnight. In which case watch for the announcement of the appointment of a new Public Safety Minister.

And, if you're a Cape Bretoner, I hope you kept your receipts so you can get your cash fast.
 
Haggis said:
Well, it appears that Minister Anandasangaree has really stepped in it this time.

In a recorded conversation with a constituent who is also a gun owner, the Minister was heard to say that:

The individual buyback launches Tuesday (tomorrow, 2025.09.23) with pilot project in Cape Breton;
Funds to support it are "capped" at $742M, after it's exhausted you get nothing (probably because PBO predicted a cost of at least $750M);
Admits if he had to start over they'd scrap it but it was a campaign promise;
Blames pressure from Quebec, the vital ground of Polysesouvient and home of anti-gun Liberal MP Nathalie Provost.;
Implies it won't be enforced by police who want nothing to do with it;
Admits gun owners will not get fair compensation;
Offers to pay this constituent the difference between fair market value and what they may receive, if anything, from the program;
Offers to pay bail for the constituent if he practises non compliance and gets arrested.

Watch for the announcement tomorrow, unless he gets fired overnight. In which case watch for the announcement of the appointment of a new Public Safety Minister.

And, if you're a Cape Bretoner, I hope you kept your receipts so you can get your cash fast.
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Here’s the scoop from the Red Star.

www.thestar.com

Liberals’ push for gun buyback program fuelled by pressure from Quebec, public safety minister says in leaked audio

A gun-owning tenant recorded a conversation with Public Safety Minister Gary Anandasangaree without the minister’s knowledge.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com

I’m surprised to see the Star publish something this embarrassing to the Liberals.
 
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