The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Halifax Tar]

If Quebec wants the gun confiscation so bad, then have a gun confiscation in Quebec and leave everyone else alone. Win win.

As I said up thread, perhaps its time the Feds admit this needs to be a provincial matter and let the provinces handle it individually.

 

[ArmyRick]

you just have to not want to get shot by some nut job

And nut jobs don't use knives, baseball bats, cars, etc to kill people? Someone wants to to kill for whatever reason, they will do it.

 

[KevinB]

And nut jobs don't use knives, baseball bats, cars, etc to kill people? Someone wants to to kill for whatever reason, they will do it.

I think his point was more that sending the Army to get guns was a fools errand and would result in resistance.

 

[Eaglelord17]

As I said up thread, perhaps its time the Feds admit this needs to be a provincial matter and let the provinces handle it individually.

That would be the worst thing that could happen. Quebec shouldn’t even be allowed to have it’s own registry.

It is better to have one standard across the country, it is one of our strongest points as a country. The key is not having a stupid standard.

 

[Genetk44]

In Quebec part of the problem, if you want to call it that, is that a small, hard-core group of anti-gun urban intellectuals and politicians use the annual anniversary of the École Polytechnique massacre as a refresher to increase the anti-gun rhetoric and to refocus the urban majority onto the subject. If you’re anywhere in Quebec , but especially in the Montreal region the whole issue of guns,gun control and banning guns gets re-hashed in the various news media starting a few weeks before the anniversery date unti a few weeks after…and everybody gets all anti-gun again.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That would be the worst thing that could happen. Quebec shouldn’t even be allowed to have it’s own registry.

It is better to have one standard across the country, it is one of our strongest points as a country. The key is not having a stupid standard.

The only people that would suck for would be Quebec. That's a Quebec problem, it's shouldn't involve me in NS. Or Bob in BC.

 

[OldSolduer]

The only people that would suck for would be Quebec. That's a Quebec problem, it's shouldn't involve me in NS. Or Bob in BC.

Or Mike from Canmore

 

[Eaglelord17]

In Quebec part of the problem, if you want to call it that, is that a small, hard-core group of anti-gun urban intellectuals and politicians use the annual anniversary of the École Polytechnique massacre as a refresher to increase the anti-gun rhetoric and to refocus the urban majority onto the subject. If you’re anywhere in Quebec , but especially in the Montreal region the whole issue of guns,gun control and banning guns gets re-hashed in the various news media starting a few weeks before the anniversery date unti a few weeks after…and everybody gets all anti-gun again.

It is fascinating to me they keep beating that dead horse.

Literally occurred before I was born and we have had serious legislative changes since then.

If that is all you can reference you don’t actually have a problem.

 

[Genetk44]

It is fascinating to me they keep beating that dead horse.

Literally occurred before I was born and we have had serious legislative changes since then.

If that is all you can reference you don’t actually have a problem.

Agreed…it’s really tedious

 

[Furniture]

It is fascinating to me they keep beating that dead horse.

Literally occurred before I was born and we have had serious legislative changes since then.

If that is all you can reference you don’t actually have a problem.

They have an effective emotional string to pull, and that is far better in politics than facts or reality.

 

[Genetk44]

They have an effective emotional string to pull, and that is far better in politics than facts or reality.

Bingo!

 

[FSTO]

In Quebec part of the problem, if you want to call it that, is that a small, hard-core group of anti-gun urban intellectuals and politicians use the annual anniversary of the École Polytechnique massacre as a refresher to increase the anti-gun rhetoric and to refocus the urban majority onto the subject. If you’re anywhere in Quebec , but especially in the Montreal region the whole issue of guns,gun control and banning guns gets re-hashed in the various news media starting a few weeks before the anniversery date unti a few weeks after…and everybody gets all anti-gun again.

Montreal island stirs the Liberal Party Drink and the CBC talking heads in this issue. Get outside of that bit of Quebec and the folks are pretty much like the rest of Canada, ie driving trucks, boats on the lake and RV’s in the campground.

 

[Cloud Cover]

1. Great thread here:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1973517945302053289

2. If a person chooses to obstruct or otherwise comply with confiscation, your legal rights and remedies may be quite limited. If you talk to your MP, you will learn the Liberals are considering using the notwithstanding clause for any Charter challenges that might be successful.

3. The only solution here is political- Canadian gun owners need to get out and fight in the next election. If you don’t, it’s game over.

Cheers

 

[KevinB]

Rights in Canada are apparently not actually rights…

 

[Jarnhamar]

If you talk to your MP, you will learn the Liberals are considering using the notwithstanding clause for any Charter challenges that might be successful.

Pretty brave of Liberal politicians considering how upset and scared they've been about political violence.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Rights in Canada are apparently not actually rights…

We never have the right to own firearms. I stand to be corrected.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Pretty brave of Liberal politicians considering how upset and scared they've been about political violence.

Mine didn't respond to my email asking if she would cover any monetary differences and bail that required for her constituents.

 

[Eaglelord17]

We never have the right to own firearms. I stand to be corrected.

That is debatable. Clearly it is acknowledged to some degree thanks to aboriginal treaties (right to hunt, etc.). The English Bill of Rights 1689 also to some degree applies to Canada and that included the right to be armed.

Mind you the supreme court ruled against this argument, that being said I still think a valid legal argument can be made on pre-1867 rights in Canada.

Personally I believe that the right to own firearms isn’t itself a right, rather the right to self defence is, or life, liberty, and security of the person. I also believe in property rights even though the government tries arguing that doesn’t exist, again I would consider it a pre-1867 right. Owning firearms I would consider a extension those rights.

 

[suffolkowner]

That is debatable. Clearly it is acknowledged to some degree thanks to aboriginal treaties (right to hunt, etc.). The English Bill of Rights 1689 also to some degree applies to Canada and that included the right to be armed.

Mind you the supreme court ruled against this argument, that being said I still think a valid legal argument can be made on pre-1867 rights in Canada.

Personally I believe that the right to own firearms isn’t itself a right, rather the right to self defence is, or life, liberty, and security of the person. I also believe in property rights even though the government tries arguing that doesn’t exist, again I would consider it a pre-1867 right. Owning firearms I would consider a extension those rights.

Property rights in the Bill of Rights?
If we dont have property rights, can i have my house taken? My ???

 

[Cloud Cover]

Property rights in the Bill of Rights?
If we dont have property rights, can i have my house taken? My ???

Yes