The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Halifax Tar]

Yea but, couldn't they have made it logical? I mean, instead an extremely long and silly list of specific weapons, couldn't the OIC have just said "no semi-automatic rifles or shotguns (or maybe just say "long guns"... does a shotgun count as a "long gun"?) and no pistols"?

The LPC wants to punish firearms owners, they do not like us. A great way to do that is to encourage people in the movement to sacrifice others for themselves, which these laws have done.

Its probably the same way they will ban the SKS. It will be ok natives, but not for everyone else. Divide and conquer.

 

[Lumber]

The LPC wants to punish firearms owners, they do not like us. A great way to do that is to encourage people in the movement to sacrifice others for themselves, which these laws have done.

Its probably the same way they will ban the SKS.

I went on the PolySeSouvient website last night just to learn more about them (they don't have a great "policy objectives" section), but I was surprised by their apparent OBSESSION with the SKS.

It will be ok natives, but not for everyone else. Divide and conquer.

Until there's a shooting on a reserve with one...

 

[Halifax Tar]

I went on the PolySeSouvient website last night just to learn more about them (they don't have a great "policy objectives" section), but I was surprised by their apparent OBSESSION with the SKS.

Their obsession is with ending private firearms ownership in Canada. The SKS is just the latest focal point for them.

In my dreamland Canada would devolve Firearms legislation down to provinces so Quebec would stop inflicting this on the rest of Canada.

 

[OldSolduer]

Until there's a shooting on a reserve with one...

Do you really think that will see the SKS banned?

 

[Lumber]

Do you really think that will see the SKS banned?

Honestly, maybe, but what I really meant was that PolySeSouvient's official policy is that there should be an exception on a potential SKS ban for indigenous hunters and that if there was a mass shooting on a reserve with an SKS, they would change their tune (or not... they might not give two shits).

 

[Haggis]

if there was a mass shooting on a reserve with an SKS, they would change their tune (or not... they might not give two shits).

In Poly's mind, I guess it would depend on the ethnicity of the victims. Kill a few natives and they may not care. But kill a non-native and they'd probably care a lot.

You mean two psychopaths very publicly killed a bunch of Jews.

At the end of the day it doesn’t matter whether it is a gun, truck, etc. it matters the intent behind the person using it.

Vehicle attacks have been more deadly than most shooting sprees (Nice is a great example), yet I don’t see people trying to ban F150s or lorry trucks.

You missed my point. Investing in mental health and criminal intelligence is expensive and mostly happens outside the public eye (not everyone needs mental health services). But, banning guns is done very publicly because it's easy, and the government is seen to have taken "decisive action" on gun violence at far less expense and effort than helping the people who need it to prevent such attacks..

 

[OldSolduer]

You missed my point. Investing in mental health and criminal intelligence is expensive and mostly happens outside the public eye (not everyone needs mental health services). But, banning guns is done very publicly because it's easy, and the government is seen to have taken "decisive action" on gun violence at far less expense and effort than helping the people who need it to prevent such attacks..

Now if the government were to crack down on illegal firearms......

BTW who funds Polysouvient?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Polysouvient

According to AI:

There is currently no public evidence identifying where PolySeSouvient receives its funding. If you need the most definitive answer, the only way would be to contact them directly at the email provided in their media releases:
[email protected]

 

[Fabius]

Gun control in Canada largely starts and ends with Poly and a few others adjacent. It’s not an issue for most.
Some of Polys thoughts in their own words;


Policy document

https://www.ourcommons.ca/Content/Committee/441/SECU/Brief/BR12228832/br-external/PolySeSouvient-e.pdf

ATIP’d Government reports and emails

https://firearmrights.ca/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/A-2022-00442-Interim-Release-Package.pdf

Parliamentary Committee Discussion on Hanguns and sport

Evidence - SECU (44-1) - No. 41 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - SECU (44-1) - No. 41 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

Parliamentary Committee Discussion on long guns

Evidence - SECU (42-1) - No. 114 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - SECU (42-1) - No. 114 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

Parliamentary Committee Discussion on IPSC

Evidence - SECU (44-1) - No. 44 - House of Commons of Canada

Evidence - SECU (44-1) - No. 44 - House of Commons of Canada

www.ourcommons.ca

Interestingly both sides formerly believed the Canadian laws were disjointed and nonsensical. However both sides took different approaches to that reality.

One side tried logic and reason. The other side used fear, gas lighting, denigration of citizens. You can decide for yourself by the committee testimony which one is which.

 

[IKnowNothing]

Because theyve been arguing they weren't banning hunting guns?

The SKS is the primary example of them not following their own rules for political reasons, but Winchester 100's, Remington Woodsmasters, most models of BAR's are all actually examples of them sticking to their definition.


They've been arguing they weren't banning hunting guns because they found there's a line society won't let them cross. It played out very clearly and publicly when Paul Chiang's last minute amendments to bill C-21 were loudly and publicly rejected.

 

[Halifax Tar]

The SKS is the primary example of them not following their own rules for political reasons, but Winchester 100's, Remington Woodsmasters, most models of BAR's are all actually examples of them sticking to their definition.


They've been arguing they weren't banning hunting guns because they found there's a line society won't let them cross. It played out very clearly and publicly when Paul Chiang's last minute amendments to bill C-21 were loudly and publicly rejected.

What is a hunting gun ?