The Great Gun Control Debate- 2.0

[Jarnhamar]

This study focused on the period between 2000 and 2022, and by "public" mass shootings they limited it to circumstances where there was the intent to simply cause mass murder of random people, as opposed to say, a target gang shooting that killed a bunch of people. However, you're right; I was able to find one public mass shooting in the 2000-2010 period in Canada, the Dawson College shooting n 2006.

The rest of my post was cut off sorry. Yeah the dates seemed a bit cherry picked (like the Liberals pointing to 2015 as proof violent crime was dropping in Canada), but also especially since there were a few notable mass shootings in the late 80's and 90's, some of which initiated stricter gun control.

I would agree, but then the deeper and much harder to answer question is: does widespread gun ownership naturally lead to idolization of gun use in crime/murder/mass shootings?

Not necessarily.

California has experienced the highest number of mass shooting incidents in the US, meanwhile they also have the strictest gun control measures and coming in as the 6th state with the least reported firearm ownership.

Missisippi, Wyoming, and Idaho have the least restrictive gun control measures in the US.

Missisippi rates moderate to high among states with higher rates of mass shootings historically. Wyoming and Idaho are practically nil.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I would agree, but then the deeper and much harder to answer question is: does widespread gun ownership naturally lead to idolization of gun use in crime/murder/mass shootings?

I think your question is answered every year from Sept - Dec all across Canada.

Hundreds of thousands of people are walking through the woods dressed like oranges, carrying rifles. Every year we don't seem to have that out break of gun fights that the theory that the concentrated proliferation of firearms is believed to cause.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I dont recognize that point. The job of the LEOs is to move in the direction of danger. Just like that is the crowns expectation of us.

FFs your job is to run into the burning building.

While reasonable measure for job safety, say bunker gear and ceramic plates, are reasonable for the right jobs. We cannot and should not remove the expectation that these highly professionals move towards the danger and if required take the appropriate violent action and give the required sacrifices.

I think that's exactly what they should do too. I don't believe they're legally obligated the same way we are. I seen a debate before and I recall it included an argument about Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms protecting life and security of the person which included officers.

 

[Halifax Tar]

I think that's exactly what they should do too. I don't believe they're legally obligated the same way we are. I seen a debate before and I recall it included an argument about Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms protecting life and security of the person which included officers.

For the salaries and benefits they are getting, they should be as obligated as you or I are. But that's wishful thinking, I believe you are correct.

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

The rest of my post was cut off sorry. Yeah the dates seemed a bit cherry picked (like the Liberals pointing to 2015 as proof violent crime was dropping in Canada), but also especially since there were a few notable mass shootings in the late 80's and 90's, some of which initiated stricter gun control.



Not necessarily.

California has experienced the highest number of mass shooting incidents in the US, meanwhile they also have the strictest gun control measures and coming in as the 6th state with the least reported firearm ownership.

Missisippi, Wyoming, and Idaho have the least restrictive gun control measures in the US.

Missisippi rates moderate to high among states with higher rates of mass shootings historically. Wyoming and Idaho are practically nil.

I think your question is answered every year from Sept - Dec all across Canada.

Hundreds of thousands of people are walking through the woods dressed like oranges, carrying rifles. Every year we don't seem to have that out break of gun fights that the theory that the concentrated proliferation of firearms is believed to cause.

@Lumber I happen to live in a town where almost every single household happens to have firearms. There are probably more firearms per capita per household than almost anywhere else in the province/Country. It's also a place where it's so safe that people don't even lock their doors.

Now the kicker is that any of the shootings and crime are 99% committed by Indigenous with one particular Reserve (there are 3 within a stones throw of the town and 1 has major issues with crime and rampant social problems).

Of course, saying that, what are we to do about it? If you ask the Government, we should all give up our guns while the ones actually committing the crime should be allowed to keep theirs?

I am friends with a number of police officers here, all of them would say that a confiscation program here wouldn't work. There aren't anywhere near enough police to even try to enforce such a program. They also know where the problem is but don't really have much ability to do anything about it.

The Provincial Indigenous Police Force up here is also a very capable Force, they went 26 years without a single officer involved shooting of a suspect, which was only broken last year after an armed standoff in Deer Lake.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Of course, saying that, what are we to do about it? If you ask the Government, we should all give up our gums while the ones actually committing the crime should be allowed to keep theirs?

How would we hold our teeth in ?

I need that, thank you

 

[Humphrey Bogart]

How would we hold our teeth in ?

I need that, thank you

Sausage fingers and a small cellphone are a terrible combo!

 

[Haggis]

Professionally, I'd say there's an argument to be made that a shooter like yourself armed with a long rifle which your familiar with and a shotgun can be just as deadly, if not more so, than some asshole getting their hands on an automatic gun blasting away on full auto.

Did you see that shooting in BC a little while ago where someone blasted away at someone else with a full auto? I think an AK? Didn't kill anyone.

During the Oka and Akwesasne events in 1990, thousands of rounds were fired by all factions, less the CAF and LEA's. Many were fired from automatic weapons with full capacity magazines. Hundreds each night at and around Akwesasne, resulting in two deaths and some property damage. Marksmanship has never been the forté of the criminal.

 

[Lumber]

Y'all will probably enjoy this. I had a really good chuckle: