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The Khadr Thread

Well well.....I suppose it's true. Canada is a terrorist haven. It's time folks shook their heads and slapped the person in the mirror. Unfortunately, the Canadian national sport is not hockey; it's apathy. So until there is a 911 style attack in Canada (hopefully in a Liberal riding) we will have to suffer the likes of the Khadrs.

Peter
 
Hatchet Man said:
Eglinton and Midland area.  When they came back to Canada, they showed the house and mentioned the last name of the grandmother who owns the house, and well a quick search on canada411.ca, presto I found the address and yes it was the place the showed on tv.  Unfortunately it has been some time since i searched, so I no longer remember the name or exact address, just the general area.

She lives in that area eh, if only i had a way to... Just kidding, it would have been an interesting listen (after getting it translated of course).
 
We (Canada) have got got start integrating our border security better with the US.  I know, free country and all, but the steps that have been taken since 9/11 by this country are embarrasing.  What ever happened to those photo ID's for landed immigrants?  I haven't come across one yet.  And CSIS is a shell of what it should be in the sense of intelligence gathering capability...
 
Khadr, 25, said in an interview yesterday that anything found on the laptop, except personal pictures and a few "cartoons" that she downloaded, are not hers. She says she bought her laptop second-hand about seven months before coming to Canada. The audiocassettes, described in court documents as providing "significant information regarding `after-battle action reports' of Al Qaeda and Taliban insurgents" involved in attacking coalition forces in Afghanistan, were found among her father's possessions after he was killed in 2003, Khadr said.

"I think it's my right to bring what I want since I'm not breaking any laws, so I decided to bring them," she said. "Although I don't know what's on them, I still thought I'd bring them."

So similarly, if someone was toting around a laptop with child porn on it...

I just hope the appropriate people in the government/legal system realize how much of a bad precedent letting this one go will be, and finally say enough is enough with this "Al-Qaeda family". 
 
Here's a follow up article

Khadr laptop has terrorist files
Mountie: Daughter of Ahmed: Family lawyer says al-Qaeda 'action reports' available online

Joseph Brean
National Post

June 15, 2005

The RCMP discovered al-Qaeda and Taliban "action reports" and information about fugitive terrorists in materials seized at Toronto's airport from Zaynab Khadr as she returned from Pakistan in February, an RCMP officer alleges in a sworn affidavit.

A search of her computer also unearthed files of Arabic songs that include Osama bin Laden's voice and video clips of terrorists in action or making speeches, all of which are "cause for concern and require further investigation," according to the officer, Sergeant Konrad Shourie.

But the Mounties cannot yet return Ms. Khadr's laptop computer, the audiotapes or even her Arabic diary before the legal deadline, which passed last month, because they need more time to copy the information and analyze it.

A forensic analysis of the computer's data, for instance, will take "several more months," the affidavit says, and a psychological analysis of Ms. Khadr based on her diary could take even longer.

Ms. Khadr and her brother Abdullah are under RCMP investigation for participating in the activities of al-Qaeda, the terrorist organization of which their deceased father, Ahmed, was reputedly a high-ranking financier. They have not been charged.

Their younger brother, Omar, is detained at Guantanamo Bay after allegedly killing a U.S. medic in a firefight in Afghanistan. Abdurahman Khadr, another brother who claims to have attended al-Qaeda training camps, has publicly renounced the jihadist sympathies of his family.

Sgt. Shourie is to make his request for a deadline extension at a hearing in Toronto this Friday, at which he is to be cross-examined by Dennis Edney, a lawyer for the Khadr family.

Mr. Edney says the material should be returned promptly. "They are looking for information that can lead to terrorist charges against Zaynab Khadr, and my belief is that they have no basis for doing so," he said.

"If you've scanned the laptop and scanned the hard drive, and you've had it for three months, what more do you need? And what does it take for you to press charges?" Mr Edney said. "How long does it take to know if someone's a terrorist?"

Sgt. Shourie's affidavit also details a lengthy telephone correspondence between the RCMP and a different lawyer for Ms. Khadr, in which the police seemingly offered to return the materials in April, but could not co-ordinate a time and place.

In her luggage, Ms. Khadr also carried DVDs that were allegedly pirated, six audio tapes of patriotic songs and poems, and two Arabic books about bin Laden, the affidavit says.

The "after battle action reports" by al-Qaeda and Taliban fighters are allegedly contained on 16 cassette tapes seized from Ms. Khadr. According to Sgt. Shourie, the tapes have "significant interest and value" to the Department of National Defence, because they provide insight into the tactics of insurgent groups and they might show the whereabouts of fugitive members of al-Qaeda or the Taliban.

Mr. Edney said he has not heard these tapes, and that Sgt. Shourie's descriptions are too vague to say for sure what they contain.

"Are we talking about something that's off a newsreel? Are we talking about an al-Qaeda group discussion? It doesn't say that. I would have thought that if you had something more direct you would say that," he said.

The Toshiba laptop computer, under analysis in London, Ont., contains songs with such translated titles as I am a Terrorist and Strike and Kill the Infidels and also video clips from the Chechnyan conflict zone and the 2003 bombing of a British/American civilian compound in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, the affidavit says.

Mr. Edney said these items are poorly described, and that it is not known who made the videos -- whether a news agency, a private citizen or a participant in the attack.

"From my review of some of the stuff they're talking about, it's material one can get on the Internet or on TV," Mr. Edney said.

Sgt. Shourie's affidavit acknowledges that many of these clips can be freely downloaded from the Internet but says they are still "cause for concern."

Mr. Edney would not confirm Ms. Khadr's claim, reported this week by the Toronto Star, that she purchased the laptop second hand almost a year ago in Pakistan. Ms. Khadr could not be reached yesterday.
© National Post 2005
 
Welcome to Kanada, a socialists dream and a terrorists paradise! :rage:

I'm positive our wonderful liberal government will do the right thing and suspend the RCMP officers who have obviously violated this fine upstanding citizens rights! :blotto:

I am rapidly losing faith in our country and the insanity that passes for decent government!  :-[
 
Are these 'people' Canadians? No? Why have they left the airport? Why are they not back in their dirthole homeland? If this family is not a threat to national security, then what is? Has the 'PC Disease' infected our society so thoroughly that it now trumps common sense? Why aren't people protesting this instead of Wal-Marts in South Van?

Like anything else, it will take an act of terrorism against Canadians to wake people up. You know, like someone putting a bomb on a plane and killing hundreds of Canadians in the name of......wait, that's already happened.

 
Ya know, I hate to play devils advocate in a case like this, but you gotta admit that the mounties aren't handling this very well.  I mean, three months of looking at these materials, and they still can't find something to charge her with?  How the hell is that possible?  They've had more than enough time to dig up information from which they can lay charges.  Once they've sharged her, the materials become evidence, and can be held at least untill the end of the trial.  Seing as how it'd probably take a year for her case to go to court, that would give them more than enough time to dig up anything they may have missed.
 
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I mean, three months of looking at these materials, and they still can't find something to charge her with?  How the heck is that possible? 

...its called investigating and 3 months is a drop in the bucket.
Think about it, do we really want a quick charge that her lawyer somehow gets thrown out and then have to listen to her on a soapbox?
 
I am of the opinion that there is some backroom dealing WRT this issue at the political level (although heaven knows what the angle is though)

It hardly matters as if the Mounties are being hamstrung by the govt wqe can all scream till we're blue in the face and it won't do a lick of good.

After all the Lieberals have survived an event that would have toppled most govts...They must be feeling pretty invincible right about now...

"Welcome to Canada. The amount of tax-free subsidy you get depends on you terms of service in the terrorist organization of your choice"

Oh God I'm so fed up with these people!

Slim
 
RCMP can hold items of Khadr family member, judge rules

http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/18/khadr-zaynab050618.html
 
We have the technology!

If her Lawyer does succeed in the requests to get her possessions back, do it.  Copy her tapes and then wipe the originals, giving her back her original tapes with nothing on them and then take the copies to analyse.  Give her back her laptop that she failed to claim as a purchase on a trip outside of the country and charge her tax on it.  Clean her harddrive for her for free, after copying it and then analyse the copies at your liesure.  Photocopy her diaries and give her back her original.  Simple....copy all her tapes, CDs, DVDs and Hard Drives.....preform a free cleaning of them and give her back her originals.....She gets back her original items in their original state - clean;  ;D  what more could her legal eagle want?
 
If her Lawyer does succeed in the requests to get her possessions back, do it.  Copy her tapes and then wipe the originals, giving her back her original tapes with nothing on them and then take the copies to analyse.  Give her back her laptop that she failed to claim as a purchase on a trip outside of the country and charge her tax on it.  Clean her harddrive for her for free, after copying it and then analyse the copies at your liesure.  Photocopy her diaries and give her back her original.  Simple....copy all her tapes, CDs, DVDs and Hard Drives.....preform a free cleaning of them and give her back her originals.....She gets back her original items in their original state - clean;    what more could her legal eagle want?

And of course, Ms. Khadr should not mind this service at all, as she definately could not have any use for material she was completely unaware of, right?  ;D
 
2332Piper said:
I hear you man, I hear you.

The US of A is starting to look like a REALLY good place to move too. I wonder if the USMC is hiring.

Have you seen this thread?  Specifically this post?
http://forums.army.ca/forums/threads/28732/post-228457.html#msg228457

Sounds good to me 8)
 
This is funny! I have another reason to get out of bed tomorow.  Funny how in another thread the thought of terrorists in Canada is being heralded as ridiculous.  But then Ms. Khadr is a voter  not a terrorist.  Makes you wonder if they can bring their game plan on a computer, into the country, what else is here.  Makes me wonder as to how many Sleepers there is in Canada & what is their target list like?

Cheers.
 
CH1 said:
 Makes me wonder as to how many Sleepers there is in Canada & what is their target list like?

Cheers.

Remember the street parties in Scarborough during 911? I'd say there's a good whack of them here...Probably fill a shopping mall there are so many...Then you could lock the doors and blow it up!

they are our enemy too!

Slim
 
I think we can learn from other cultures - the Japanese, for example.  I think we could employ Ms Khadr as a 'comfort woman' at CFS Alert.

As for the laptop, in Ontario, the gun dealer being arrested with his wife had all of his home files and electronic data siezed by the OPP.  He can now get it back, but it is not in it's original format, and he must buy the appropriate program from the OPP!

But, only white, middle aged, firearms enthusiasts get treated like that.  The Khadrs will get treated like gold.

Tom
 
with all these "sleepers" does that make Canada a lesser target of terrorism or would it make it an easier target ?, And isn't the only terrorist attacks that we have had come from  Québec It is a double eedgedsword we could kick Ms.Khadr but would that create an anger towards us (Canada) Oh well I think that they will let her go but there will be a close eye on her and the people from her laptop maybe try to Identify the people in her personal pictures and watch them too ?
 
Depends.  Most successful program is to watch suspects, but kill terrorists.

Tom
 
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