The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)

[OldSolduer]

Or America might insist on selling late model F 16's if Canada is going to buy a single GE engine fighter.
Hopefully Carney is willing to have that one way adult chat with the Joly's and other military midgets in his cabinet that have convinced themselves that elbows up is a real thing.

Mental midgets you mean

 

[Good2Golf]

Or America might insist on selling late model F 16's if Canada is going to buy a single GE engine fighter.
Hopefully Carney is willing to have that one way adult chat with the Joly's and other military midgets in his cabinet that have convinced themselves that elbows up is a real thing.

Block 70 Vipers do nothing for Canada’s goal of increasing European aerospace capacity. It has SFA to do with ‘Elbows Up.’ It has to do with Canada leveraging unused domestic capacity to reinforce Europe’s maxed-out capacity.

 

[DBNSG]

Block 70 Vipers do nothing for Canada’s goal of increasing European aerospace capacity. It has SFA to do with ‘Elbows Up.’ It has to do with Canada leveraging unused domestic capacity to reinforce Europe’s maxed-out capacity.

Yet the American opinion has not been expressed.
Carney and company are in a pickle as they have generated the elbows up response that has bet the farm on a Fuck Trump move
that will lead to a real hangover and I bet if we buy Gripen they will be given to Ukraine. The Commonwealth training plan 2030.

NORAD and its perceptions of security are a true non negotiable for North American defence but we are convincing ourselves that we have the same latitude and freedom to make dumb defence choices as if the Americans are not looking , interested or concerned but will still do the heavy lifting. We will be noticed in Congress for the wrong reasons and the hard one on one work of relationship building of the last two years by Canadian politicians and business folks might very well be squandered. But hey Elbows up . But a nasty pickle for the Government.
Carney should pull out he 2017 Senate defence recommendations and just buy the 120 Fighters - of one model- and plan for the next generation SHOULD and its a very big Should, the commitment for real independent Canadian defence lasts.
To quote the late Colonel Campbell, Canadian civilians support for defence is a mile wide and an inch deep. it might be over our elbows now but we aren't standing up. YET.

 

[YZT580]

Yet the American opinion has not been expressed.
Carney and company are in a pickle as they have generated the elbows up response that has bet the farm on a Fuck Trump move
that will lead to a real hangover and I bet if we buy Gripen they will be given to Ukraine. The Commonwealth training plan 2030.

NORAD and its perceptions of security are a true non negotiable for North American defence but we are convincing ourselves that we have the same latitude and freedom to make dumb defence choices as if the Americans are not looking , interested or concerned but will still do the heavy lifting. We will be noticed in Congress for the wrong reasons and the hard one on one work of relationship building of the last two years by Canadian politicians and business folks might very well be squandered. But hey Elbows up . But a nasty pickle for the Government.
Carney should pull out he 2017 Senate defence recommendations and just buy the 120 Fighters - of one model- and plan for the next generation SHOULD and its a very big Should, the commitment for real independent Canadian defence lasts.
To quote the late Colonel Campbell, Canadian civilians support for defence is a mile wide and an inch deep. it might be over our elbows now but we aren't standing up. YET.

No he shouldn't. 120 aircraft maybe including at least 60 F35s but we would be foolish to depend upon a single a/c that is a complex as it is. Even the Titanic had lifeboats and it was supposed to be unsinkable.

 

[Furniture]

NORAD and its perceptions of security are a true non negotiable for North American defence but we are convincing ourselves that we have the same latitude and freedom to make dumb defence choices as if the Americans are not looking , interested or concerned but will still do the heavy lifting.

We already have F-35s on the order books, and Gripens are a step up from the Hornets we fly now, so this is a silly point.

We will be noticed in Congress for the wrong reasons and the hard one on one work of relationship building of the last two years by Canadian politicians and business folks might very well be squandered. But hey Elbows up . But a nasty pickle for the Government.

Perhaps your memory is slipping, but the whole "Elbows up" silliness was a direct response to America attacking our industries, and the President threatening our sovereignty. Maybe Congress needs to remember that they have a responsibility to reign-in the president if the president get's out of hand.

Carney should pull out he 2017 Senate defence recommendations and just buy the 120 Fighters - of one model- and plan for the next generation SHOULD and its a very big Should, the commitment for real independent Canadian defence lasts.
To quote the late Colonel Campbell, Canadian civilians support for defence is a mile wide and an inch deep. it might be over our elbows now but we aren't standing up. YET.

We should have at least 120 fighters, but if we keep doing what we have for the last 50 years, we won't. As you have pointed out, Canadian's don't normally care about defence. Canadians don't care about defence, because we buy kit from elsewhere, and use it in far away bases.

If we start making more kit at home, and have well paid jobs in major centres tied to buying more kit, we will get more kit. We have already proven this with GDLS, and the NSS, so I fail to see why the USAF wannabees in this thread can't grasp it.