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My bad, I thought they had gone straight to Shilo in 1994.
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Well they probably got two of the best postings the army has, my sympathy is limited.
Anyways I wonder what the Air Force types would think of stagin our F35s out of the Baltics as part of our forward presence until we get our house in order vis a vis security. We could even ask regular BAP participants to instead subsidize the cost while we held a multi year mission, and cycle pilots through that Sqn as they come out of training.
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Personally Ive always found Calgary overrated. A sea of highways and far less to do culturally than Edmonton. Clean and nice zoo though.
The joke amongst my buddies there is the best part of Calgary is leaving (a couple hours West to the mountains).
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In the immortal words of Three Dead Trolls in a Baggie, "Alberta doesn't suck, but Calgary does."
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Where did they do field training? I've been out that way and I don't recall any training area...
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Yep!
Edit to add: We also did training in various other areas of the island where possible (eg) route marches, driver training, etc)
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I'm a bit gob smacked - the CBC is running a story that is positive overall on the F35 and highlights Canada's contribution into producing them.
According to McIntosh, that figure contains about $3.2 million Cdn ($2.28 million US) worth of parts.
At each station, there's a screen that indicates the country that has purchased that specific jet and what percentage of it is completed, along with other key information. CBC saw one of the 16 jets slated for Canada, which was in the beginning stages of assembly.
Canada is one of eight partner nations from the program's inception, and a member of the joint executive steering board, meaning that Canada has had a seat at the table and has been involved in the decision process for major aspects of the program.
In a statement to CBC News, Lockheed Martin said, "The global F-35 program bolsters an allied defence industrial base, with projected economic benefits commensurate with a country’s program of record. The projected economic benefit of $15.5B CAD is commensurate with Canada’s program of record for 88 jets."
Lockheed Martin says about 30 companies in Canada are currently involved in the F-35 program, employing about 2,000 Canadians. With a natural ebb and flow of contracts, the defence contractor says anywhere between 30 to 35 companies in Canada — though not necessarily Canadian-owned — participate in the program.
For example, a company in Delta, B.C., makes a part of the foldable wing for jets that land on aircraft carriers that aren’t part of Canada’s military.
Another contribution comes from the picturesque town of Lunenburg, N.S., which houses a factory belonging to French aerospace and defence company Stelia. It's just minutes away from Lunenburg’s colourful harbour, famously known as the home of the Bluenose, the racing schooner pictured on the Canadian dime.
Also involved in the F-35 program is Christie Digital, a projector and LED display company located in Kitchener, Ont., a well-known hub for engineering and innovation. The company landed a contract with Lockheed Martin just last year to help build the next generation of F-35 flight simulators. Christie supplies the micro LED tiles for Lockheed Martin's Amorphic Appearance Zero-Projector (AMAZE) visual display system.
It’s a 360-dome cockpit simulation that allows pilots to train in a safe, low-cost environment. According to Harminder Banwait, director of business development at Christie Digital, it will enhance night-training capabilities.
“I got a lot of pride in working with the team,” said Banwait. “It's a lot of satisfaction for me personally, that I've had a long career so far, and to be able to deliver something that is unique and to be the first to market is really rewarding for me.”
Think F-35 fighter jets are all-American? Canada actually plays a major role in production
Lockheed Martin says about 30 companies in Canada are currently involved in F-35 program
According to McIntosh, that figure contains about $3.2 million Cdn ($2.28 million US) worth of parts.
100-plus companies in Canada have contributed to program
A Lockheed Martin test pilot who accompanied CBC on the tour was able to point out some of the Canadian parts on the jets themselves.At each station, there's a screen that indicates the country that has purchased that specific jet and what percentage of it is completed, along with other key information. CBC saw one of the 16 jets slated for Canada, which was in the beginning stages of assembly.
Canada is one of eight partner nations from the program's inception, and a member of the joint executive steering board, meaning that Canada has had a seat at the table and has been involved in the decision process for major aspects of the program.
In a statement to CBC News, Lockheed Martin said, "The global F-35 program bolsters an allied defence industrial base, with projected economic benefits commensurate with a country’s program of record. The projected economic benefit of $15.5B CAD is commensurate with Canada’s program of record for 88 jets."
Lockheed Martin says about 30 companies in Canada are currently involved in the F-35 program, employing about 2,000 Canadians. With a natural ebb and flow of contracts, the defence contractor says anywhere between 30 to 35 companies in Canada — though not necessarily Canadian-owned — participate in the program.
For example, a company in Delta, B.C., makes a part of the foldable wing for jets that land on aircraft carriers that aren’t part of Canada’s military.
Another contribution comes from the picturesque town of Lunenburg, N.S., which houses a factory belonging to French aerospace and defence company Stelia. It's just minutes away from Lunenburg’s colourful harbour, famously known as the home of the Bluenose, the racing schooner pictured on the Canadian dime.
Also involved in the F-35 program is Christie Digital, a projector and LED display company located in Kitchener, Ont., a well-known hub for engineering and innovation. The company landed a contract with Lockheed Martin just last year to help build the next generation of F-35 flight simulators. Christie supplies the micro LED tiles for Lockheed Martin's Amorphic Appearance Zero-Projector (AMAZE) visual display system.
It’s a 360-dome cockpit simulation that allows pilots to train in a safe, low-cost environment. According to Harminder Banwait, director of business development at Christie Digital, it will enhance night-training capabilities.
“I got a lot of pride in working with the team,” said Banwait. “It's a lot of satisfaction for me personally, that I've had a long career so far, and to be able to deliver something that is unique and to be the first to market is really rewarding for me.”
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I take this as good news. Good news that the government has probably decided to proceed with the full F-35 and needs the CBC to start the positive info ops campaign so the GoC don't look too stupid over the delays and dithering and ultimately choosing it.
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On the other hand....
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Sweden just took delivery of its first E-type and inked a deal with Ukraine for 100 to 150 with co-production.
Canada Plans Cut to F-35 Orders to Hedge Towards Lightweight Gripen: Is a Mixed Fleet a Better Option?
The administration of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is considering deep cuts to its planned order for 88 F-35A fifth generation fighters, with the intention of
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Sweden just took delivery of its first E-type and inked a deal with Ukraine for 100 to 150 with co-production.
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That article has a very weird title, worded like we've decided to already cut the F-35 deal when that is not the case.On the other hand....
Canada Plans Cut to F-35 Orders to Hedge Towards Lightweight Gripen: Is a Mixed Fleet a Better Option?
The administration of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is considering deep cuts to its planned order for 88 F-35A fifth generation fighters, with the intention of
Sweden just took delivery of its first E-type and inked a deal with Ukraine for 100 to 150 with co-production.
Those numbers for Ukraine are a joke considering how slow Gripen E/F production has been, with Sweden just receiving its first aircraft now. It is likely going to take them like a decade plus to deliver that kind of fleet.
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Unless the Ukrainians get ahold of the production lines?
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I am unaware of any Ukrainian domestic production lines that could take on an advanced western fighter like the Gripen E, especially with a vast majority of its components are imported from various partners abroad. As far as Saab's domestic capability, their supply chains and production capacity is woefully inadequate to meet that Ukrainian order on anything approaching a reasonable timeframe. They have been locked into a fairly small production tempo since its inception and their repeated export failures have not helped the situation over the years.
To put it into perspective, Saab has built something like 300~ Gripen's of all types since the mid 1980's until now. Ukraine now wants 25% or 50% of that total lifetime order? Good luck lol.
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That article is AI slop.On the other hand....
Canada Plans Cut to F-35 Orders to Hedge Towards Lightweight Gripen: Is a Mixed Fleet a Better Option?
The administration of Canadian Prime Minister Mark Carney is considering deep cuts to its planned order for 88 F-35A fifth generation fighters, with the intention of
Sweden just took delivery of its first E-type and inked a deal with Ukraine for 100 to 150 with co-production.
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USN/USMC squadrons are 12. USAF fighter squadrons have always been about 24 frames. Though they seem to be going down to 20 frames or less these days. The RAF does 10-12 frames. We're probably going to 15 frames each for the gun squadrons and the rest in OTU and maintenance pipeline.
The Americans have very detailed force design ratios. Old article. But this will help explain:
The Fighter Numbers Flap | Air & Space Forces Magazine
Audio of this article is brought to you by the Air & Space Forces Association, honoring and supporting our Airmen, Guardians, and their families. Find out more at afa.orgGordon England, the Pentagon’s No. 2 official, has claimed that the F-22...
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Our force sizing is very different. Almost no attrition reserve. That yields 61 combat coded aircraft total. Divide that into 4-5 squadrons.
There was no evidence of any SEAD campaign. And apparently they even warned the Pakistanis they were going to strike. Questionable too whether onboard ECM was effectively programmed.
The 88 number came out of the Liberals trying to single source the Super Hornet. The Conservatives had 65 penciled in as the minimum fleet size for NORAD and the occasional six pack to NATO. Valid debate if we should have more than 65. But that's the history. Think of 65 as the minimum for just NATO.
Spain. 173 combat aircraft.
Italy. 182 combat aircraft.
Wouldn't take $100B to achieve that. But, this forum has some naive takes on why Europeans spend that money. It's not about defence. It's about industrial participation. The reason those two countries have such large numbers of fighters (relative to geography) is because both of them are founding partners of the Eurofighter consortium. It's why they both have large numbers of Typhoons.
If we want Canada to buy more, then a lot more of it has to be built in Canada. Those countries have major financial issues. And they still buy more kit. A lot of the reason for that is industrial participation. The newly created DIA is taking us in that direction. And the capabilities prioritized will very much be based on what can be made in Canada.
If we want more fighters, the only way to swing it industrially is to join a 6th Gen consortium.
Difficult. I don't think people understand the handover process involved. Before the first squadron leaves the US, the American program office has to certify everything. The infrastructure. The training. The networks. The maintenance program. Everything. Putting them in the Baltics first adds complications.
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