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The RCAF's Next Generation Fighter (CF-188 Replacement)
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The only time upgrades aren't possible is when the mold line (physical configuration) changes. Those are far less frequent. All of our orders are after the latest change (Tech Refresh 3 (TR3). It's not anticipated that there will be another TR for another 10-15 years at least. And even then, you still keep getting the software updates. Just not the full upgrade which requires the hardware. Kinda like Google or Apple still gives you updates on your phone after 3 years, but not those that require specific hardware.
This is an ignorant talking point in the public discourse from decades ago. Yes, it's possible that the aircraft would have been a bit more aerodynamic if it was designed purely for the USAF. But how relevant is this in the age of 100 mile BVRAAM shots? Some of the 6th gen aircraft being proposed might be less manoeuvrable than the F-35. This is the public's ignorant fixation on dogfighting, with the idea that modern air combat is like Top Gun. Not you know, the reality of chasing a dot on a screen to line up a max Pk BVRAAM shot that is guides by datalinks or itself.
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I believe that we should be transactional.
We should be buying the best gear that fits our Defence needs, at the best price we can get.
Sometimes, that will mean buying US, because it suits us, not because we are doing them any favours. Other times, it might mean buying Canadian, South Korean, Swedish or German, etc.
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An interesting read.
“We were asked questions by the authorities here,” Wallenberg said simply. Canada wants to “really understand how much—what kind of impact could this co-operation lead to.”
Furthermore, Joly said, “we will also be very transactional to say, ‘OK, I’m buying your submarines, you buy some satellites from us.’… That’s how countries are doing it. So we should not be naive, and we should be doing that.”
Wallenberg said it is “obvious” to him that the Swedish businesses he is involved in overseeing have increased their presence, investments and operations in Canada. He said the strategic partnership that Sweden and Canada announced on Tuesday would pave the way for more in areas such as defence, life sciences, artificial intelligence and forestry. “I think it’s just a matter of continuing this march towards deeper co-operation.”
Wallenberg said “And as far as I know, Canadians are viewed as very reliable people,” he added, “which is important if you’re going to build trust in business partnerships.”
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The Raoul Wallenberg (the famous Swede diplomat from the closing days of WWII), was from this 'Wallenberg' family.
Fighter jet deal would turbocharge Canada-Sweden partnership, says Saab chair
Ottawa invited the Swedish industrial giant to repitch its proposal to supply Gripen fighters to the Canadian military, says Marcus Wallenberg“We were asked questions by the authorities here,” Wallenberg said simply. Canada wants to “really understand how much—what kind of impact could this co-operation lead to.”
Furthermore, Joly said, “we will also be very transactional to say, ‘OK, I’m buying your submarines, you buy some satellites from us.’… That’s how countries are doing it. So we should not be naive, and we should be doing that.”
Wallenberg said it is “obvious” to him that the Swedish businesses he is involved in overseeing have increased their presence, investments and operations in Canada. He said the strategic partnership that Sweden and Canada announced on Tuesday would pave the way for more in areas such as defence, life sciences, artificial intelligence and forestry. “I think it’s just a matter of continuing this march towards deeper co-operation.”
Wallenberg said “And as far as I know, Canadians are viewed as very reliable people,” he added, “which is important if you’re going to build trust in business partnerships.”
Fighter jet deal would turbocharge Canada-Sweden partnership, says Saab chair - The Logic
Ottawa invited the Swedish industrial giant to repitch its proposal to supply Gripen fighters to the Canadian military, says Marcus Wallenberg
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The Raoul Wallenberg (the famous Swede diplomat from the closing days of WWII), was from this 'Wallenberg' family.
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Easy now - as long as the red ones remain the tastiest
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Safety systems were reduced due to weight restrictions driven by commonality desires.
Aerodynamic also increases fuel efficiency, which increases range / time on station.
To say that there were no design compromises and that they did not result in a less capable (not incapable) aircraft is incorrect.
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Point here is that those capability compromises aren't relevant to most situations today. And definitely not relevant to us. And the majority of folks who bring it up? They do so in bad faith, trying to insinuate that the F-35 is a compromise not worth purchasing.
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An interesting read.
Fighter jet deal would turbocharge Canada-Sweden partnership, says Saab chair
Ottawa invited the Swedish industrial giant to repitch its proposal to supply Gripen fighters to the Canadian military, says Marcus Wallenberg
“We were asked questions by the authorities here,” Wallenberg said simply. Canada wants to “really understand how much—what kind of impact could this co-operation lead to.”
Furthermore, Joly said, “we will also be very transactional to say, ‘OK, I’m buying your submarines, you buy some satellites from us.’… That’s how countries are doing it. So we should not be naive, and we should be doing that.”
Wallenberg said it is “obvious” to him that the Swedish businesses he is involved in overseeing have increased their presence, investments and operations in Canada. He said the strategic partnership that Sweden and Canada announced on Tuesday would pave the way for more in areas such as defence, life sciences, artificial intelligence and forestry. “I think it’s just a matter of continuing this march towards deeper co-operation.”
Wallenberg said “And as far as I know, Canadians are viewed as very reliable people,” he added, “which is important if you’re going to build trust in business partnerships.”
Fighter jet deal would turbocharge Canada-Sweden partnership, says Saab chair - The Logic
Ottawa invited the Swedish industrial giant to repitch its proposal to supply Gripen fighters to the Canadian military, says Marcus Wallenberg
The Raoul Wallenberg (the famous Swede diplomat from the closing days of WWII), was from this 'Wallenberg' family.
And the Wallenbergs have sat on everyone of those boards which I mentioned.
There is your real decision maker.
Wallenberg family - Wikipedia
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So if I'm in the camp of keeping the 88 F35 (or a min of 65), but at the same time exploring all options/avenues with the Swedes, where does that put me? Do I fall into the 'just the tip' camp?
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We will hire people to assemble them here with crappy schematics and in poor English - if any written instructions at all.
And have to walk the one way aisle the store uses.
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SKF is a Swedish company. High precision from quality steel. SKF operates in Canada.
Sweden made a fortune in WW2 selling bearings to both sides.
That is one of many areas where the Wallenbergs make money.
Years ago BASF tried to make itself more visible to attract investors. This was occasioned by the same trends that damaged the corporatist model in Sweden. Their ads were along the lines of them being the company you had never heard of but used every day because they made the things that make things work.
That sums up the Swedish philosophy. Brand names like Ikea notwithstanding.
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The US won’t give a shit if we buy 88 F-35s (or something approximate) and mess around with Grippens, on the side.
If we try to buy just 16 F-35s and go Grippen after that, expect the US government to veto the sale. Which, they can.
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The US will give a shit if we buy 88 F35's (or something approximate) AND we team up with someone outside of them for 6th gen fighters.
I've said it before, of the 3 branches of the CAF, the RCAF seems to be the most 'American' in their thought process and desire for US equipment. I'm not saying that is good or that is bad, its the optics to this outsider.
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It is the unavoidable consequence of NORAD.
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But will Golden Dome negate that going forward?
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You mean translated to Québécois as the aircraft will be made in Quebec. The translation process will further delay production. Plus who has the technical expertise to translate from Swedish to Québécois?
Québécois: Refers to the variety of French spoken in Quebec, which is distinct from other French dialects.
Why not buy, set up manufacturing of a whole bunch os CV90's to "turbocharge the Canada/Sweden relationship"
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They want the same things that Team McDonalds and Team Hyundai do...
They want special access to our market of 40 million people, they want our products and resources, and they want our research money.
Its up to us to figure out who will screw us around the least in exchange for those things. Right now, Team McDonalds isn't even trying to hide the fact they are out to screw us and break our economy.
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I worked for a Swedish company in Canada with offices in Ontario, Quebec and Alberta selling equipment that was designed in Sweden and built in both Sweden and Canada, and pretty near every other country on the planet. They have been in business since 1886 and in Canada since 1913.
Translations, and effective instruction and marketing are not their problems.
