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..or that he is doing exactly what he is supposed to be doing............
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CFL said:
I imagine that quote was meant to be highly amusing, but don't give up your day job.
Knowing the composision of the NIS Team (Experience, Qualifications and Branch's), might allow those reading these reports and conclusions with a greater speculative eye. However, this information might not be forthcoming, by design or otherwise.
The reasoning for this Soldier's disappearance is far reaching, but to suggest or conclude he is a Traitor is reaching too far.
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The unit aor may be CR but the incident happend in WR AOR or the closest to it. This does not mean that WR went but they could have gone. CR most likely would have as it is an SI, and they have lots of those investigators. Prob a Cap and LT. Some dets do have a SI cell I know WR does.
Ooooh, my mistake.... Then it'll be a hard assed but loveable ex-marine gunnery sgt super sleuth, his hottie sidekick, a newbie computer geek and a sexist moron. For backup, a goth girl forensic genius, and a pathologist old enough to have done Tutankhamun's autopsy. Thanks for the clarification.....
CHIMO, Kat
I hope you are kidding, a goth chic in the military now you are going to far ;D, I was thinking more along the lines of a know it all way beyond his pay scale fellow who comes across as a little slower then the average joe and a partner who is kinda dragged along by their coattails as they solve things with little or no evidence to back up the claim.
The unit aor may be CR but the incident happend in WR AOR or the closest to it. This does not mean that WR went but they could have gone. CR most likely would have as it is an SI, and they have lots of those investigators. Prob a Cap and LT. Some dets do have a SI cell I know WR does.
Ooooh, my mistake.... Then it'll be a hard assed but loveable ex-marine gunnery sgt super sleuth, his hottie sidekick, a newbie computer geek and a sexist moron. For backup, a goth girl forensic genius, and a pathologist old enough to have done Tutankhamun's autopsy. Thanks for the clarification.....
CHIMO, Kat
I hope you are kidding, a goth chic in the military now you are going to far ;D, I was thinking more along the lines of a know it all way beyond his pay scale fellow who comes across as a little slower then the average joe and a partner who is kinda dragged along by their coattails as they solve things with little or no evidence to back up the claim.
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Wizard of OZ said:
I actually ran into a young Sig Op in the local mall one time and if she hadn't approached me, I would never have recognized her. Folks have two seperate existances in many cases and if they put some thought into it, you'd never know what they're up to on the off duty hours.
As for the NIS team, I would have thought it was self evident who they were when they returned with imitation Rolex's and Gucci suits with nice dark tans (farmer tans of course since they were on duty after all) after conducting surveillance at the beaches of Phuket, Pattaya and Phi-Phi for a couple of weeks. Would have been a laugh to be there with the RMS clerk doing their claim, "OK sir...so what exactly are all these receipts from Patpong about, and how are massages you got at a bar considered physiotherapy for an old tour wound?"
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WR western region
AR Atlantic region
SI Sensitive investigations
CR Central Region
AOR Area of Responsibility
I think that was all of them in the post if i missed one let me know.
AR Atlantic region
SI Sensitive investigations
CR Central Region
AOR Area of Responsibility
I think that was all of them in the post if i missed one let me know.
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Just for sake of argument ...
If this fellow intended to "go off the reservation" and join some merc unit or something similar, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to just quietly take his retirement and then bugger off when nobody was looking? I mean, why draw attention to yourself by disappearing so elaborately?
Not knowing the individual in question, it sounds to me more likely that this was triggered by some kind of personal problem, midlife crisis, what-have-you.
If this fellow intended to "go off the reservation" and join some merc unit or something similar, wouldn't it have made more sense for him to just quietly take his retirement and then bugger off when nobody was looking? I mean, why draw attention to yourself by disappearing so elaborately?
Not knowing the individual in question, it sounds to me more likely that this was triggered by some kind of personal problem, midlife crisis, what-have-you.
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I only ever saw something even remotely like this once in my life.
A fellow, not in the military, won the lottery but said nothing, not a word, to anyone but a lawyer. Then he â “ the lawyer, mostly, I guess â “ made all manner of preparations, in deepest secrecy. Then one day the fellow left for work, just as normal, but detoured to the airport, thence to Toronto where he picked up the big, Big cheque, thence to the Caymans (or someplace like that) and then ... well, he just disappeared according to his wife and family and colleagues and employer and, and, and ... with all that money.
A personal enough reason, I guess.
A fellow, not in the military, won the lottery but said nothing, not a word, to anyone but a lawyer. Then he â “ the lawyer, mostly, I guess â “ made all manner of preparations, in deepest secrecy. Then one day the fellow left for work, just as normal, but detoured to the airport, thence to Toronto where he picked up the big, Big cheque, thence to the Caymans (or someplace like that) and then ... well, he just disappeared according to his wife and family and colleagues and employer and, and, and ... with all that money.
A personal enough reason, I guess.
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Wizard of OZ said:
Thanks for the info., never to old to learn.
So, maybe a team of a Capt. & Lieut. of Sensitive Investigations from a Detachment from Central Region,
did or could have carried out the search and investigation.
With reference to "Detachment" I presume Military Police and the Officers would also belong to the MP Branch.
Or, was this investigation and report carried out by personnel without extensive police skills and specializing in Missing Persons and Abductions .
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Or, was this investigation and report carried out by personnel without extensive police skills and specializing in Missing Persons and Abductions .
One would like to think not but stranger things have happned. Maybe they don't want to find him?
One would like to think not but stranger things have happned. Maybe they don't want to find him?
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Wizard of OZ said:
Yes, I fully agree with you on both counts.
This case seems very suspicious.
One thing for sure, no Label,speculation,conclusion or stigma should not be attached to this Soldier.
This will only be conclusive upon the finding of his corpse or hopefully his location and presence.|_
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Wizard of OZ said:
Interesting comment, Wiz. We may be thinking along similar lines. A cover-up is possible. The NIS work directly for the CF Provost Marshal, who reports directly to the Vice CDS and, if I remember DND 101 correctly,the VCDS is responsible for all overseas deployments. What better way to hide the truth of an incident that occurred in a place where the CF is not "officially deployed. It is strange indeed.
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Monty has been missing since Jul 2003 vice 2004. He was not released from the Service until 1 Dec 04. Why? His family HAS been given the Royal Canadian run around. His personal finances were NOT all taken care of. I am sure his DNA is on record and there is no evidence of him being found among any of the Tsunami victims. He is definitely NOT a traitor. These are the things we know for sure. The rest is all pure speculation. What is perfectly clear is he has vanished whether or not by his own volition. He has left people behind who love him and worry about him and for them this is a tragedy, I think they deserve our respect. Monty if you are reading this - a sign pal - a sign.
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Canadian Forces (CF) soldier missing from his unit for 21 months has been located in Thailand and returned to Canada on Wednesday, escorted by the military's National Investigation Service (NIS).
Sgt. Montgomery Paisley reported to the Canadian embassy in Bangkok, Thailand, April 7, at which time arrangements were made to transfer him into Canadian custody. Members of the NIS traveled to Thailand to escort him back to Canada.
Although the matter of his absence without authority is under investigation, his well-being and the welfare of his family are the CF's main concerns at this time. If charges are laid under the National Defence Act, this information will be made public with a subsequent news release.
The NIS has a mandate to investigate serious and sensitive matters in relation to National Defence property and CF personnel serving in Canada and abroad.
Sgt. Montgomery Paisley reported to the Canadian embassy in Bangkok, Thailand, April 7, at which time arrangements were made to transfer him into Canadian custody. Members of the NIS traveled to Thailand to escort him back to Canada.
Although the matter of his absence without authority is under investigation, his well-being and the welfare of his family are the CF's main concerns at this time. If charges are laid under the National Defence Act, this information will be made public with a subsequent news release.
The NIS has a mandate to investigate serious and sensitive matters in relation to National Defence property and CF personnel serving in Canada and abroad.
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Must be serious for the NIS to be going abroad to pick buddy up.
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isnt that the JTF2 EOD soldier that went missing a while back?
{EDIT answered my own question with article}
Missing Cdn. soldier turns up at Bangkok embassy
Canadian Press
OTTAWA â †In July 2003, Special Forces Sgt. Montgomery Paisley cleaned out his bank account, sorted out his affairs, and vanished after a commercial flight to Thailand.
A 16-year veteran of the military, the explosives expert had an exemplary record and no signs of personal problems, yet he simply disappeared after landing in Thailand on Aug. 1, 2003.
During an extensive probe, Canadian and Thai investigators found no trace of Paisley. Last week, he turned up at the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok after 21 months.
Although he was officially discharged from the service in December 2004, he returned to Canada on Wednesday escorted by members of the military's National Investigation Service, who travelled to Thailand to fetch him.
"Although the matter of his absence without authority is under investigation, his well-being and the welfare of his family are the (Canadian Forces') main concerns at this time," said a Defence Department statement.
Investigators executed search warrants and interviewed family and friends after Paisley did not return from what was supposed to have been a two-week vacation. They acknowledged at the time they had found "red flags."
Paisley had been a member of the commando unit Joint Task Force 2 for six years.
His service included a 2002 tour in Afghanistan with a Canadian battle group fighting Taliban and al Qaeda holdouts out of Kandahar.
The Canadian Forces became particularly concerned about Paisley because his expertise was in explosives and defusing mines and booby traps.
Ottawa informed Thai police about his disappearance before the high-security Asia-Pacific economic summit in Bangkok in the fall of 2003.
While not believed to be a threat, he was thought to be carrying a laptop computer or notebook with bomb-making information. Interpol, the FBI and other international agencies were later alerted to his disappearance.
His trail went cold until April 7 when he approached Canadian officials in Thailand.
Citing his role in the highly secretive JTF-2 commando unit, the military has declined to release Paisley's home town, his marital status, his picture or his physical description.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1113493265186_108902465/?hub=TopStories
{EDIT answered my own question with article}
Missing Cdn. soldier turns up at Bangkok embassy
Canadian Press
OTTAWA â †In July 2003, Special Forces Sgt. Montgomery Paisley cleaned out his bank account, sorted out his affairs, and vanished after a commercial flight to Thailand.
A 16-year veteran of the military, the explosives expert had an exemplary record and no signs of personal problems, yet he simply disappeared after landing in Thailand on Aug. 1, 2003.
During an extensive probe, Canadian and Thai investigators found no trace of Paisley. Last week, he turned up at the Canadian Embassy in Bangkok after 21 months.
Although he was officially discharged from the service in December 2004, he returned to Canada on Wednesday escorted by members of the military's National Investigation Service, who travelled to Thailand to fetch him.
"Although the matter of his absence without authority is under investigation, his well-being and the welfare of his family are the (Canadian Forces') main concerns at this time," said a Defence Department statement.
Investigators executed search warrants and interviewed family and friends after Paisley did not return from what was supposed to have been a two-week vacation. They acknowledged at the time they had found "red flags."
Paisley had been a member of the commando unit Joint Task Force 2 for six years.
His service included a 2002 tour in Afghanistan with a Canadian battle group fighting Taliban and al Qaeda holdouts out of Kandahar.
The Canadian Forces became particularly concerned about Paisley because his expertise was in explosives and defusing mines and booby traps.
Ottawa informed Thai police about his disappearance before the high-security Asia-Pacific economic summit in Bangkok in the fall of 2003.
While not believed to be a threat, he was thought to be carrying a laptop computer or notebook with bomb-making information. Interpol, the FBI and other international agencies were later alerted to his disappearance.
His trail went cold until April 7 when he approached Canadian officials in Thailand.
Citing his role in the highly secretive JTF-2 commando unit, the military has declined to release Paisley's home town, his marital status, his picture or his physical description.
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1113493265186_108902465/?hub=TopStories
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