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The US Presidency 2020
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Altair said:
At this point I find it hard to dig up much residual surprise or disgust for his ability to disgrace his own office. It is what it is. Granted this particular one is just a tad thick from a repeat draft dodger, but it’s wholly in line with his character to attack his top generals and... well, call them names when he doesn’t like the answers they give them. Presidential tantrums have been the new norm for a few years now. The tragic bit for America is he’s driving out or firing the top tier of switched on senior executives who are critical for the effective development and deployment of sound policy options.
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mariomike said:
Black Americans: 12.1%
Yup. In person as well.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/81-year-old-wearing-maga-hat-attacked-at-supermarket-prosecutors/16061/
81-Year-Old Man Wearing MAGA Hat Attacked in NJ Supermarket: Prosecutors
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Jarnhamar said:
This was my source for the Republicans getting 9 % of the African-American vote in the 2018 mid-term election,
https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2018/11/08/the-2018-midterm-vote-divisions-by-race-gender-education/
Jarnhamar said:
Shameful.
I saw a comedy show where a guy used a maga hat as a highly effective "people repellant".
He also put it on to save himself from an ass-kicking during a road rage incident with a biker.
Brihard said:
:nod:
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Are you f***ing kidding me!!!
https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/impeachment-analysis-republican-reaction/index.html
And it's not fake news. I watched the video of his argument on the Senate floor and that's exactly what he said. If this isn't spoon-feeding Republicans a bunch of bull**** to hang their reasoning on I don't know what is.
US democracy and decency - kiss your a** goodbye.
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https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/30/politics/impeachment-analysis-republican-reaction/index.html
And it's not fake news. I watched the video of his argument on the Senate floor and that's exactly what he said. If this isn't spoon-feeding Republicans a bunch of bull**** to hang their reasoning on I don't know what is.
US democracy and decency - kiss your a** goodbye.
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Relax; democracy is doing just fine. Election's in just over 9 months.
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I personally like where this is going.
I was wondering how a president Bernie Sanders would push through his agenda with a hostile congress standing in his way.
But if arresting and jailing half of congress is in the national interest for him, well, that is not impeachable.
I was wondering how a president Bernie Sanders would push through his agenda with a hostile congress standing in his way.
But if arresting and jailing half of congress is in the national interest for him, well, that is not impeachable.
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Actually, I'm quite relaxed. It's not my country after all and I have zero impact on what happens there. It's just terribly depressing to watch from the outside.
Makes you wonder though if Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce's supporters thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread or regretted their choice. :dunno:
:cheers:
Makes you wonder though if Andrew Johnson, James Buchanan, Warren Harding and Franklin Pierce's supporters thought they were the greatest thing since sliced bread or regretted their choice. :dunno:
:cheers:
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The whole thing is a circus. If Dershowitz's argument could be stretched to cover anything - which, regardless of his exact remarks, I doubt is what he would defend - it is no less ridiculous than the notion that Congress can impeach a president for claiming legal immunities without Congress first testing those claims in court.
There was no quid pro quo.
Now there is and someone has real proof.
But that’s ok. Because it isn’t impeachable so no worries.
In fact let’s double down and say that the POTUS can do what he wants because what he wants is the same as the national interest.
Imagine any of our politicians doing that sort of garbage here.
Now there is and someone has real proof.
But that’s ok. Because it isn’t impeachable so no worries.
In fact let’s double down and say that the POTUS can do what he wants because what he wants is the same as the national interest.
Imagine any of our politicians doing that sort of garbage here.
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[quote author=Remius]
Imagine any of our politicians doing that sort of garbage here.
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You mean like "saving jobs"?
I kind of think the problem with "but, democracy!" is that we've been conditioned to associate democracy with good. Not just a good style of government but in terms of good vs evil. When we say it's an assault on democracy we really mean and assault on goodness and all things just and righteous.
Imagine any of our politicians doing that sort of garbage here.
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You mean like "saving jobs"?
I kind of think the problem with "but, democracy!" is that we've been conditioned to associate democracy with good. Not just a good style of government but in terms of good vs evil. When we say it's an assault on democracy we really mean and assault on goodness and all things just and righteous.
Why is anyone at all surprised that the attempt would be made to legally assert that Trump can basically do whatever he wants? It’s wholly in line with his... I don’t want to use the word ‘character’ in association with this individual, but I guess that’s the word that grudgingly fits. Of course he would seek a lawyer willing to take his money to argue that autocratic absurdity.
He does not care about America; he cares about Trump, and being President is merely means to continue to enlarge himself. He hasn’t cared about running his own companies or charities into the ground if it served his needs; why would he suddenly become altruistic and possessed of civic virtue when he wasn’t before?
Trump’s presidency is just rent seeking taken to its most comically absurd extreme. America got exactly what it voted for; everything he has done is consistent with what he’s already shown of himself before the election.
He does not care about America; he cares about Trump, and being President is merely means to continue to enlarge himself. He hasn’t cared about running his own companies or charities into the ground if it served his needs; why would he suddenly become altruistic and possessed of civic virtue when he wasn’t before?
Trump’s presidency is just rent seeking taken to its most comically absurd extreme. America got exactly what it voted for; everything he has done is consistent with what he’s already shown of himself before the election.
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Before getting too wound up about what people think Dershowitz said, find out what Dershowitz meant.
"And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment".
People sometimes (frequently, really) interject into what they are saying a clause that refers back to something said slightly earlier. Find a video clip and listen to the pause in the statement. Another interpretation, rephrased: "And if a president did something [in the public interest] that he believes will help him get elected, [] that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment".
That matches more closely what Dershowitz is claiming he meant (something done in the public interest which coincides with self-interest is not impeachable). What he meant may still be objectionable to some, but it's not the same as "anything goes", and those who are beating on that point are flogging a strawman.
"And if a president did something that he believes will help him get elected, in the public interest, that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment".
People sometimes (frequently, really) interject into what they are saying a clause that refers back to something said slightly earlier. Find a video clip and listen to the pause in the statement. Another interpretation, rephrased: "And if a president did something [in the public interest] that he believes will help him get elected, [] that cannot be the kind of quid pro quo that results in impeachment".
That matches more closely what Dershowitz is claiming he meant (something done in the public interest which coincides with self-interest is not impeachable). What he meant may still be objectionable to some, but it's not the same as "anything goes", and those who are beating on that point are flogging a strawman.
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Possibly you mean hearing more witnesses. All the Senators heard/saw every bit of the Democrat' evidence.
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It might not be quick, if the event is prolonged until next Wed. The senator-candidates should enjoy that.
A fitting response to the House majority, which tried to make the Senate do the House's job.
A fitting response to the House majority, which tried to make the Senate do the House's job.
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