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The value of an education

Kirkhill

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Kirkhill said:
Palantir is betting against university accreditation.
Recruiting straight from High School.
"Skip the debt. Skip the indoctrination."

fortune.com

Palantir says college is no longer a reliable training ground—so it hired 22 high school students instead: ‘Skip the debt. Skip the indoctrination.' | Fortune

22 Gen Zers are currently graduating from Palantir’s Meritocracy Fellowship, as CEO Alex Karp calls his company "the best credential in tech."
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Smart move. This should happen more in other places as well, such as police services - hire at 18-20 and train.
 
QV said:
Smart move. This should happen more in other places as well, such as police services - hire at 18-20 and train.
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I’m in agreement but not for any anti woke business.

OJT, productive years at a younger age and less debt. Plenty of jobs that this can be applied to.
 
Kirkhill said:
Recruiting straight from High School.
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When I graduated high school, that was enough to apply.

Within two years, that was no longer enough to apply.

These days, at least where I worked, you need education.

Personally, as a potential client, I'm thankful for that.
 
mariomike said:
When I graduated high school, that was enough to apply.

Within two years, that was not enough to apply.

These days, at least where I worked, you need education.

Personally, as a potential client, I'm thankful for that.
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Did they make you go back to get that education? And are you saying that clients should not have been serviced by you because of your lack of education?
 
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mariomike said:
When I graduated high school, that was enough to apply.

Within two years, that was no longer enough to apply.

These days, at least where I worked, you need education.

Personally, as a potential client, I'm thankful for that.
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In our day people believed that education meant two things, both leading to a better life, an education and contacts.

Nowadays the quality of both the education and the contacts are iffy.

And the price has gone up exorbitantly.

I could afford my education based on summer jobs and a couple of years to pay back my loans with a small fraction of my pay (less than my new car payments and my rent).
 
Remius said:
I’m in agreement but not for any anti woke business.

OJT, productive years at a younger age and less debt. Plenty of jobs that this can be applied to.
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This is the way. Anti-woke is just a secondary benefit.
 
Remius said:
Did they make you go back to get that education? And are you saying that clients should not have been serviced by you because of your lack of education?
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The ironic part is those new hires with education were still going to do OJT under the uneducated heathens.
 
QV said:
The ironic part is those new hires with education were still going to do OJT under the uneducated heathens.
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I’d add that what they are requiring is still likely training over education.

Education vs training. Training can still be done at an educational institution.

The issue as well is that a lot of programs are just money makers for the institutions.
 
Remius said:
Did they make you go back to get that education? And are you saying that clients should not have been serviced by you because of your lack of education?
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No.

I did not say that.

The City sent us to their recruit academy, before turning us lose on our fellow citizens.

And, later to community college, as professional standards changed.

The difference between then and now is - City taxpayers paid our tuition, and salary while in community college.

That ship sailed exactly fifty years ago.

To apply now, you've got to get an education first.

Ante up some money, and do it on your own time. If the college even accepts your application. It's pretty competitive.

With no guarantee of getting hired.

I didn't make the World. I barely exist in it. Smile emoji.
 
One thing our Retired Chief mentioned at one of our luncheons was he put the blame on the colleges for not making candidates aware of what they are getting into.

That there were horror stories of recruits mentally breaking down when the reality of the work set in.
 
I have said this before and I will say it again.

Young kids today have a reasonable chance of living to be 100 years old.

I would suggest that, until about age 30, all kids should do odd jobs, join the circus, join the military, learn a trade, travel the world, do manual labour, work on farms, go to school, write poetry..... do whatever they want.

They should take time to figure out what they want to do. Then get the required education or training.

I have no idea why we are forcing kids in their last year or two of high school to make long term career choices. They have lots of time to do lots of different things and should take advantage of that time.
 
I think in a lot of jobs, the requirement for post-secondary education will go out the window for those jobs that used the requirement to winnow down the field. It probably won’t change much for jobs where the knowledge from those diplomas or degrees is necessary for success. But I think there are a lot of jobs out there that require a generic degree, that probably don’t actually need it.
 
All I can say is thank frig the CAF didn't mind hiring a 17 year old, 11 credit dropout, who'd already done 21 days in jail way back in 1978. I think I can say I gave them 10 good years, and they gave me decades of good years......
 
Good that industry may be starting back to training their own employees. The flip side of that is young, new employees can't expect to make the big bucks right out of the gate while they are learning their craft. Our Son-in-law is with a large, multi-faceted transportation entity and they are constantly looking for apprentices in a number of trades. Uptake is slow.

mariomike said:
One thing our Retired Chief mentioned at one of our luncheons was he put the blame on the colleges for not making candidates aware of what they are getting into.

That there were horror stories of recruits mentally breaking down when the reality of the work set in.
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It could also be argued that the blame lies with the Service for not training their own. Take a candidate off the street, vet them, train them, mould them in your image.
 
Jarnhamar said:
Considering our Lord and Savior made this world, and us in his image, have you ever felt that people in your profession were committing blasphemy? Playing god by healing someone when maybe that wasn't His plan for them?
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Here we go.
 
lenaitch said:
Take a candidate off the street, vet them, train them, mould them in your image.
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We hired on straight out of high school.

As probies, we came under the watchful eyes of the '46ers.

I'm thankful for that.

But, times changed.

That ended half a century ago.
 
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