The vibe shift, end of "wokeness"?

[brihard]

How so? What is this guess based on? Yes, we know I strongly support Pierre but I am asking, what is this guess based on?

Everywhere Pierre goes in Canada and abroad, he is very friendly and comfortable talking to people. So not at all sure why you think this.

It’s probably a matter of who would talk to him or his delegates beyond the politically obvious, how much time they would give him, and how much credibility would be lent to his policy proposals. PM Carney has been able to walk into many rooms and gatherings as a proven and trusted quantity based on a very extensive body of previous work. Poilievre would not have that because he basically lacks any real body of previous work.

 

[ArmyRick]

PM Carney has been able to walk into many rooms and gatherings

I would never have disputed this. PM MC is very well known internationally, that comes with his experience.
What says Pierre can't reach out internationally?

how much credibility would be lent to his policy proposals.

In Pierre's case, all we can do is guess. Thats it.

basically lacks any real body of previous work.

PM MC is better known internationally, but as he found out, Pierre has much experience at politics here at home. When the two go head to head in parliament, its Pierre that usually gets the better of him. Even CTV has admitted this.

Lets be honest, its all conjecture. What I suspect is people looking for yet another chance to shit on Pierre based on hypotheticals.

Try going after Pierre for LEGIT concerns. Like bridging with ALL the premiers in Canada (including Dougie, but not kissing Kory Tenyke's ass), taking the time to sell his proposals to the common Canadian better (on energy, he has similar ideas to PM MC but wants to get it done quicker by removing road bumps), doing more to connect with first nations (he has a few that are really behind him), etc.

When people start speculating about stuff that hasn't happened, it comes across as what CBC basically does, petty BS.

 

[brihard]

I would never have disputed this. PM MC is very well known internationally, that comes with his experience.
What says Pierre can't reach out internationally?

In Pierre's case, all we can do is guess. Thats it.

PM MC is better known internationally, but as he found out, Pierre has much experience at politics here at home. When the two go head to head in parliament, its Pierre that usually gets the better of him. Even CTV has admitted this.

Lets be honest, its all conjecture. What I suspect is people looking for yet another chance to shit on Pierre based on hypotheticals.

Try going after Pierre for LEGIT concerns. Like bridging with ALL the premiers in Canada (including Dougie, but not kissing Kory Tenyke's ass), taking the time to sell his proposals to the common Canadian better (on energy, he has similar ideas to PM MC but wants to get it done quicker by removing road bumps), doing more to connect with first nations (he has a few that are really behind him), etc.

When people start speculating about stuff that hasn't happened, it comes across as what CBC basically does, petty BS.

It’s almost all conjecture. The observable data point of the seat counts in Parliament doesn’t support the claim that the leader of the minority opposition ‘usually gets the better of’ the PM.

 

[ArmyRick]

It’s almost all conjecture. The observable data point of the seat counts in Parliament doesn’t support the claim that the leader of the minority opposition ‘usually gets the better of’ the PM.

More conjecture. Unless you can brain scan the floor crossers, only they know truly the REAL reason they crossed. On that note, not one of the floor crossers listed Pierre as the reason they had to leave the CPC, not one. And a few were directly asked.

 

[brihard]

More conjecture. Unless you can brain scan the floor crossers, only they know truly the REAL reason they crossed. On that note, not one of the floor crossers listed Pierre as the reason they had to leave the CPC, not one. And a few were directly asked.

That’s nice, but under his watch as leader of the official opposition, the government turned a minority into a majority. That’s a tangible. If you want to say his leadership of the opposition is not a factor, cool, have at ‘er, I’m not going to sit here and argue with you on that.

In any case, we’ve drifted pretty far off topic so I’ll leave it at that on this subject.

 

[ArmyRick]

the government turned a minority into a majority.

According to 4/5 floor crossers, Mark Carney's outstanding leadership was a big reason they crossed.

That’s a tangible

You want tangibles? I can list PM Carney's campaign promises and see how many he dropped the ball on. Sure, Liberals are great at promises and excuses.

If you want to say his leadership of the opposition is not a factor, cool, have at ‘er

87% approval at his leadership review. Maybe us card carrying conservatives are just really stupid? Or other people have motives to try and torpedo Pierre's position (ohhhh, like running or supporting someone they want?).

 

[Furniture]

What says Pierre can't reach out internationally?

It isn't about being able to ask for meetings, it's about having a network pre-built that opens more doors.

Ever CAF leader worth anything understands the power of a network, and that power is multiplied exponentially as a national leader. PMMC has a far wider and more diverse network than a younger career politician. Pretending otherwise is just being silly.

 

[ArmyRick]

PMMC has a far wider and more diverse network than a younger career politician

If you read my comments, I don't dispute that. Being a national leader is more than just good excellent international networks.