Heinlein had a point. National service before you can be come a (voting) citizen which is needed before you can be in an elected position. So maybe before you can be a congressman, representative, VP or President, either you have to have served or you must have a close (child/grandchild/spouse) CURRENTLY serving throughout your term of office.How Mike Johnson Got to ‘Yes’ on Aid to Ukraine
Intelligence, politics and personal considerations converted the Republican speaker, who had largely opposed aid to Ukraine as a rank-and-file member, into the key figure pushing it through Congress.www.nytimes.com
You realize that book was a satire of fascism, right? I mean, I love the book, but it’s a cautionary tale; not one to be emulated.Heinlein had a point. National service before you can be come a (voting) citizen which is needed before you can be in an elected position. So maybe before you can be a congressman, representative, VP or President, either you have to have served or you must have a close (child/grandchild/spouse) CURRENTLY serving throughout your term of office.
Just think, if Canada had this, how many Prime Ministers would we have been able to avoid?
Yes on the whole it is cautionary, like Animal Farm and 1984, but that doesn't mean there is nothing that can be taken from them. Even Terry Gilliams "Brazil" has things we should take note of.You realize that book was a satire of fascism, right? I mean, I love the book, but it’s a cautionary tale; not one to be emulated.
Its laughable that we've not tooled up and started rolling off LAV's in London for Ukraine. Have the line start working OT and weekends for an increased production run.
The 1997 movie was certainly a satire of fascism. The book, though, was not. Indeed, the glorification of fascism is among the charges levelled at the book by critics. I think that is a stretch, but there it is. Charges of militarism, though, have to be accepted. There was not a lot of irony present in the book.You realize that book was a satire of fascism, right? I mean, I love the book, but it’s a cautionary tale; not one to be emulated.
He was an interesting person, but definitely had a service mindedness. Released from the Navy pre WW2, he went on to work for the Navy as a civilian aeronautical engineer during WW2. Politically he was all over the map, in the 1930 campaigning against poverty and homelessness and in support for Democrats candidates and supported a lot of Democratic causes (and then ran as a Democrat), but was also fiercely anti-communist. He was vehemently opposed to stopping nuclear testing, and in the 1950’s was staunchly Republican in most views (though he considered himself a libertarian) and was socially progressive. As well as supported the Vietnam War. Later supported Reagan and SDI (and believed that military research could and would drive breakthroughs for civilian applications).The 1997 movie was certainly a satire of fascism. The book, though, was not. Indeed, the glorification of fascism is among the charges levelled at the book by critics. I think that is a stretch, but there it is. Charges of militarism, though, have to be accepted. There was not a lot of irony present in the book.
But anyway!
The movie definitely was, because the director didn't read the book and has an axe to grind.that book was a satire of fascism
Thanks guys. I’ve read the book many times, and had been told in the past that it itself was intended to satirize the totalitarian sort of system he portrayed. I stand corrected.
Ok so I get that the movie glorifies fascism in a satirical way, and that you "shouldn't" espouse it, however...The movie definitely was, because the director didn't read the book and has an axe to grind.
One of the many, many things left out from the book is that military service is not the only path to citizenship and the right to vote, federal civil service qualifies.
No not on its own. Only conditions for citizenship. We already have people that don’t have citizenship here and aren’t living under fascist rule. The book (it’s been a while since I read it) does define the various levels of citizenship. One being residents who share most rights but can’t vote. Heinlen was also quite adamant that the only inalienable rights you should have are the ones you are willing to die for.Ok so I get that the movie glorifies fascism in a satirical way, and that you "shouldn't" espouse it, however...
On the question/idea specifically of "service equals citizenship", either military service or some kind of federal public service, would support that idea alone be synonymous with supporting fascism?
No it would not. But in this current world no one can be stateless thus citizenship to people born he can’t really be denied but defining who gets to vote would not be out of the question I think.Like, imagine that in Canada, every citizen is protected by every right in the Chart of Rights and Freedoms, except for the right to vote, which only goes to those who have earned "citizenship". Forget the military junta, forget the totalities, just Canada, with that one caveat. Would that qualify as fascism?
Ok so I get that the movie glorifies fascism in a satirical way, and that you "shouldn't" espouse it, however...
On the question/idea specifically of "service equals citizenship", either military service or some kind of federal public service, would support that idea alone be synonymous with supporting fascism?
Like, imagine that in Canada, every citizen is protected by every right in the Chart of Rights and Freedoms, except for the right to vote, which only goes to those who have earned "citizenship". Forget the military junta, forget the totalities, just Canada, with that one caveat. Would that qualify as fascism?
There are very few political ideas that are unique to a particular system, although claiming "X, therefore -ism" is a popular game. It's like concluding you have a particular kind of respiratory virus because you woke up with a sniffle.would support that idea alone be synonymous with supporting fascism?