also to consider with the off-course trajectory: was the GPS being jammed? There have been a large number of spoofing incidents in the Baltic.
The War in Ukraine
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Except Aerosucre always seems to just skate by…
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Le Monde reports that France and Britain are discussing deploying troops to Ukraine. Talks aim to form a core European alliance to support Ukraine and ensure broader security. The idea of Western troop deployment is "not off the table" and has "gained momentum in recent weeks," the outlet says.
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Be a big change.
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Yup, until Flight 157 took out the fence taking off in Colombia in 2016.
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Minor. The fence was just asking for it….
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one would think the next step for France would be to donate as much as Denmark etc. Instead of missing that step completely and providing troops?WarTranslated (Dmitri) (@wartranslated.bsky.social)
Le Monde reports that France and Britain are discussing deploying troops to Ukraine. Talks aim to form a core European alliance to support Ukraine and ensure broader security. The idea of Western troop deployment is "not off the table" and has "gained momentum in recent weeks," the outlet says.
Be a big change.
Sounds like an excellent opportunity for the FFL.
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Daily casualty rates in that conflict look like they're exceeding the total strength of the FFL, so let's hope France is ready for that!
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the french airforce would likely give the VKS a run for its money
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It would seem that the first step would be providing a CAP over Western Ukraine and then providing defenses against AShM's to keep the grain routes open would be a logical step. Pushing more European Rail gauge lines into Ukraine would also be beneficial. Then start manning self-supplied AD systems into Western Ukraine.
Have western troops and contractors build up the defenses along the Belarusian border. Form a Western equipped and funded International brigade of volunteers who do their training in Europe and then go into Ukraine to fight, with fresh recruits training in Europe. Troops who sign up for that, leave the western militaries, but after a stint can comeback in with no loss of rank or benefits. Also have some sort of Veterans Affairs to deal with the wounded, etc. Basically a European Army funded by the west and operating under Ukraine control and flag.
Have western troops and contractors build up the defenses along the Belarusian border. Form a Western equipped and funded International brigade of volunteers who do their training in Europe and then go into Ukraine to fight, with fresh recruits training in Europe. Troops who sign up for that, leave the western militaries, but after a stint can comeback in with no loss of rank or benefits. Also have some sort of Veterans Affairs to deal with the wounded, etc. Basically a European Army funded by the west and operating under Ukraine control and flag.
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A drunk in a Cessna can do that.
In fairness, at the time the Air Defence was its own branch of service, so that guy (Mathias Rust) humiliated PVO and not the VKS/VVS.
In a different time and place, the Soviets would have shot a few people in PVO if a wacko private pilot was able to land in Red Square. Luckily for Marshal Koldunov, PVO's commander, the 1980s Soviets felt it was enough to send him into retirement over the fiasco.
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No windows around?
That's a new innovation. Back then, you knew you were in trouble if they were taking you down the stairs. Bad things happened in the basement.
They can just throw them out of a basement window. Best of both worlds.
There used to be a joke that the Lubyanka Building (used by the KGB and FSB) was the tallest building in Moscow. "It is so tall you can see Siberia from the basement."
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Baffle Gab!
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Keep in mind that some European nations have asked for their donations (or portions of) not to be published.
So unless one has access to the actual classified material lists, one doesn’t fully know what has been donated or in what quantities.
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