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The War in Ukraine

HavokFour said:
Hopefully we don't see Stormtrooper aim manifest into reality as well. Neat piece of hardware though.

euromaidanpress.com

France’s new laser rifle silently melts electronics at 500 meters — and Ukrainian infantry could really use it - Euromaidan Press

France’s new HELMA-LP laser rifle disables electronics from 500m away—quietly. A battlefield tool Ukrainian infantry may need sooner than later.
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Alt: France’s new laser rifle silently melts electronics at 500 meters — and Ukrainian infantry could really use it - Euromaidan Press | Ghostarchive
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What we really need to do is develop something that use the C16 to shoot a high velocity wad of ever-expanding Great Foam insulation that either hits the drone or it flies into the gluey mess.


Speaking of Drones: Moscow is being clobbered today. Pity.
 
PrairieFella said:
Well, we know the armour works.
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The problem is they put a ton of explosive reactive armor blocks all over the vehicle as well as putting cages. Driving the vehicles weight up even further so it really can’t leave a road. Which is fine, if you accept that sort of vehicle is now fully road bound. However, a lot of people will look at this, and they see what the LAV can do and not realize part of the reasons it is being so survivable in those cases is due to all the odds and sods, kitchen, sinks and bathtubs, etc. that have been bolted onto it. In turn raising the weight well beyond what the gross vehicle is on the platform making it a maintenance burden, but also making so it will sink like a rock if it leaves a hard pack road.
 
KevinB said:
The problem is they put a ton of explosive reactive armor blocks all over the vehicle as well as putting cages. Driving the vehicles weight up even further so it really can’t leave a road. Which is fine, if you accept that sort of vehicle is now fully road bound. However, a lot of people will look at this, and they see what the LAV can do and not realize part of the reasons it is being so survivable in those cases is due to all the odds and sods, kitchen, sinks and bathtubs, etc. that have been bolted onto it. In turn raising the weight well beyond what the gross vehicle is on the platform making it a maintenance burden, but also making so it will sink like a rock if it leaves a hard pack road.
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At about the 26 sec mark you can see the beast, whatever it is, leave the hardpack and start plowing across country. It is making headway but the troughs it is leaving behind look like something between a tank trap and a trench.
 
Russian Panstar at work, Telegram channel

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ANNA NEWS

ЗРПК "Панцирь-С1" ведет стрельбу ракетами по низколетящим целям. Одна из ракет проносится над снимавшим.
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HavokFour said:
Taurus foreshadowing?

kyivindependent.com

West no longer imposing range restrictions on arms for Ukraine, Germany's Merz says

"This means that Ukraine can now defend itself, for example, by attacking military facilities in Russia," German Chancellor Friedrich Merz said. "Until recently, it couldn’t do that, and apart from very few exceptions, it hadn’t done so either."
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Alt: West no longer imposing range restrictions on arms for Ukraine, Germany's Merz says | Ghostarchive
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Based on Germany's supply classification, I am assuming that the Ukrainians already have some and are thinking about what is the tastiest target .
 
KevinB said:
Based on Germany's supply classification, I am assuming that the Ukrainians already have some and are thinking about what is the tastiest target .
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question is how long have they had them for, a few people have told me integration would take upto 6 months, maybe less into mirage which already can fire SS?
 
MilEME09 said:
question is how long have they had them for, a few people have told me integration would take upto 6 months, maybe less into mirage which already can fire SS?
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This tidbit was also announced 2 weeks ago. So if they are going to get them, it's going to be soon if the ball hasn't already started rolling.

Germany will stop reporting arms deliveries to Ukraine, Merz says
Alt: Germany will stop reporting arms deliveries to Ukraine, Merz says | Reuters | Ghostarchive
 
KevinB said:
The problem is they put a ton of explosive reactive armor blocks all over the vehicle as well as putting cages. Driving the vehicles weight up even further so it really can’t leave a road. Which is fine, if you accept that sort of vehicle is now fully road bound. However, a lot of people will look at this, and they see what the LAV can do and not realize part of the reasons it is being so survivable in those cases is due to all the odds and sods, kitchen, sinks and bathtubs, etc. that have been bolted onto it. In turn raising the weight well beyond what the gross vehicle is on the platform making it a maintenance burden, but also making so it will sink like a rock if it leaves a hard pack road.
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What makes one IFV /APC more survivable then another?
Base armor structure is similar or the same across the board. Aluminum/composite for the main structure. Some are made with a steel base.
Next we have various armor plates of steel and or composites added. Some spaced some not to increase its protection.
Add reactive armor and or slat armor.

The Bradley IFV has a base body/armor of aluminum and upgraded over the years with various other metal armor of various thicknesses and placement throughout the hull sides and tops. They have added slate and various reactive armor. They have added all the odds and sods including the kitchen sink, bathtubs over the years increasing the weight of the Bradley beyond its original design spec.

The LAV has the same and or similar base armor structure. They have added spaced armor as time has gone on. Then slat armour and now reactive armor has been added over the years.

The Bradley and LAV 6 armor is very similar in nature. the Difference being the Bradley has added more armor then the LAV, I wonder if the LAV added a wider tire if its ground pressure would equal or better then that of the Bradley? Of course the LAV would need the new 600-700Hp engine.
Something to think about with armor is how much is similar and how much is different.
 
childs56 said:
What makes one IFV /APC more survivable then another?
Base armor structure is similar or the same across the board. Aluminum/composite for the main structure. Some are made with a steel base.
Next we have various armor plates of steel and or composites added. Some spaced some not to increase its protection.
Add reactive armor and or slat armor.

The Bradley IFV has a base body/armor of aluminum and upgraded over the years with various other metal armor of various thicknesses and placement throughout the hull sides and tops. They have added slate and various reactive armor. They have added all the odds and sods including the kitchen sink, bathtubs over the years increasing the weight of the Bradley beyond its original design spec.

The LAV has the same and or similar base armor structure. They have added spaced armor as time has gone on. Then slat armour and now reactive armor has been added over the years.

The Bradley and LAV 6 armor is very similar in nature. the Difference being the Bradley has added more armor then the LAV, I wonder if the LAV added a wider tire if its ground pressure would equal or better then that of the Bradley? Of course the LAV would need the new 600-700Hp engine.
Something to think about with armor is how much is similar and how much is different.
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Bradley is tracked, LAV isn’t. Ultimately it comes down to the limitations of a wheeled vehicle system.

Bradley weighs roughly twice the weight of a LAV yet can travel on more terrain. You can add more armour to the LAV but your limiting it more and more the heavier it gets.
 
childs56 said:
What makes one IFV /APC more survivable then another?
Base armor structure is similar or the same across the board. Aluminum/composite for the main structure. Some are made with a steel base.
Next we have various armor plates of steel and or composites added. Some spaced some not to increase its protection.
Add reactive armor and or slat armor.
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You also need to consider the configuration.
Engine placement, fuel, hydraulic, electrical, transmission, etc.
- one reason I hate the Senator, BearCat (and other Ford 550/650 base vehicles)

Depending on layout of components one can see remarkable differences in how vehicles react to various types of enemy fires.

As well for certain threats wheeled vehicles do better than most tracked vehicles simply due to standoff and the suspension setup.
Which is why I favor the LAV family for OOTW stuff.

childs56 said:
The Bradley IFV has a base body/armor of aluminum and upgraded over the years with various other metal armor of various thicknesses and placement throughout the hull sides and tops. They have added slate and various reactive armor. They have added all the odds and sods including the kitchen sink, bathtubs over the years increasing the weight of the Bradley beyond its original design spec.

The LAV has the same and or similar base armor structure. They have added spaced armor as time has gone on. Then slat armour and now reactive armor has been added over the years.

The Bradley and LAV 6 armor is very similar in nature. the Difference being the Bradley has added more armor then the LAV, I wonder if the LAV added a wider tire if its ground pressure would equal or better then that of the Bradley?
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You will never get a wheel vehicle that is road feasible to the point of what can be done with tracks for ground pressure - it’s simply a matter of area.
childs56 said:
Of course the LAV would need the new 600-700Hp engine.
Something to think about with armor is how much is similar and how much is different.
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MilEME09 said:
question is how long have they had them for, a few people have told me integration would take upto 6 months, maybe less into mirage which already can fire SS?
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HavokFour said:
This tidbit was also announced 2 weeks ago. So if they are going to get them, it's going to be soon if the ball hasn't already started rolling.

Germany will stop reporting arms deliveries to Ukraine, Merz says
Alt: Germany will stop reporting arms deliveries to Ukraine, Merz says | Reuters | Ghostarchive
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And it’s quite possible that integration work has been underway for longer, not even necessarily with Ukraine involved or in the loop- the Europeans may be in a position to bring an 80% solution to software and hardware integration on day 1, with a greatly shortened ‘rest of the way’.
 
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