This may be a silly question about RMC degree's but.....

[rokkzstar]

Does a Bachelor's degree through the Division of continuing studies have any less merit than a degree obtained through full time studies?

like for example, does the DCS degree say that it is a degree from the Royal Military of College of Canada with a disclaimer on it saying "through the division of continuing studies"


and does it hold any less weight when progressing through the ranks??

is it still "worthy" of Ring Knocker status??


It's not really a big deal, its just more for curiosity sake

I'm currently a full time CF member, and working on my bachelor's through DCS

 

[dapaterson]

Does a Bachelor's degree through the Division of continuing studies have any less merit than a degree obtained through full time studies?

like for example, does the DCS degree say that it is a degree from the Royal Military of College of Canada with a disclaimer on it saying "through the division of continuing studies"


and does it hold any less weight when progressing through the ranks??

is it still "worthy" of Door Knocker status??

I don't know that an RMC (or any other) will make it easier to get through JTF-2 assaulter training to become a door-knocker.  Ring knocker, on the other hand...

More seriously, working on a degree while working full-time shows a commendable level of effort and dedication on your part.  When talking to folks outside the military, you can just say you did your undergrad at RMC.  To those inside the CF, you can give the longer version.

 

[rokkzstar]

YES, Ring Knocker...Oy!!


Door Knocker....now THAT deserves high merit

 

[Shamrock]

Don't RMC degrees require successful completion of the four pillars? Is it possible to accomplish them through DCS?

 

[IBM]

IMO I don't think it should matter whether you completed the degree through DCS or not. As long as the program itself has the same academic standards as full studies, and is also full accredited etc. then your degree should be just as good. Most employers could care less whether you did the degree in F/T or not. A degree from such-and-such uni is still a degree.

As someone who does has a civvie uni degree, if some RMC grad thinks I'm "not as worthy" cause I'm not rocking the RMC undgrad class ring, I would be glad to tell such a person where he or she can shove that class ring. In fact, I would be glad to point out that I was able to attend classes wearing whatever the hell I want (at least within the norm expectations of society in general ;D) without worrying about dress & deportment all all that shit.

 

[captloadie]

The short answer is that no, you will not receive an RMC degree if you only complete the academic portion of the RMC experience. You will receive a Candian Forces College Degree. Will most people differentiate the difference? Probably not, if the academic achievement is all they are looking for.

In fact, I would be glad to point out that I was able to attend classes wearing whatever the hell I want (at least within the norm expectations of society in general ;D) without worrying about dress & deportment all all that crap.

Ahhhh, I bet all the current and former RSMs on this forum love to hear their future leaders talk like this. At least most of us ring knockers learn a little decorum going through the system.

 

[chrisf]

Learn decorum *and* wear silly hats.

To the original poster, who cares? A degree is a degree, if it's in the field appropriate for the job you want to do, then you're good to go. 

If at any point an RMC graduate looks down on you for not having a degree from RMC, you can rest assured, he's a pompous idiot.

 

[DexOlesa]

They are the most god awful hats out there. I agree with Sig Op, as long as the degree helps you in your career it doesn't matter where you get it. There are upsides to RMC to be sure, but there are also a lot of aspects of the college that aren't so great as well (and I'm not just talking about the poor taste in head dress). It is a unique experience to be sure. I suggest keep researching your options and keep asking questions. Then when  you have all the info and it is time to apply to the college of your choice, you can rest easy knowing you've made the right one. Good luck

 

[Strike]

I would recommend though that, should you complete your degree through CMC DL, don't go around telling people you graduated from RMC.  An RMC grad may call you on it.  However, nothing wrong with saying that you graduated from the RMC DL program.  They are two very distinct programs even if the education is the same.

 

[chrisf]

While at parties, I claim to be a be an archaeology professor, a oil company geologist, and/or a bear fighter. I keep several arrow heads, core samples, and a bear skull on me at all times for these purposes.

I would suggest, if one wants to pass themselves off as an RMC grad, find themselves one of those silly hats.

 

[Journeyman]

The short answer is that no, you will not receive an RMC degree if you only complete the academic portion of the RMC experience. You will receive a Candian Forces College Degree.

Could you provide a source for this?

- I just read my RMC degree, and it says no such thing.
- Having instructed at both RMC and CFC, I've never heard of a CFC degree. In fact, even the Master of Defence Studies, which CFC students can attain while working in the Joint Command and Staff Programme, is awarded by RMC, not CFC.
- Further, I've inquired at both CFC and CDA and no one knows what you're talking about.

I would recommend though that, should you complete your degree through CMC DL, don't go around telling people you graduated from RMC.  An RMC grad may call you on it.  However, nothing wrong with saying that you graduated from the RMC DL program.  They are two very distinct programs even if the education is the same.

Sorry, I have to disagree.

Having a degree from RMC but having to skulk around for fear of some RMC grad "calling him on it"?!  It's like not wearing your pilot wings because some fighter pilot might call you on it -- helicopters and fighters are "different programs" and the fighter pilot may believe himself superior.

 

[Strike]

Sorry.  I should have been more specific.  Don't refer to yourself as a ring-knocker as others may then assume that you experienced the whole RMC experience/BS.

 

[OldSolduer]

While at parties, I claim to be a be an archaeology professor, a oil company geologist, and/or a bear fighter. I keep several arrow heads, core samples, and a bear skull on me at all times for these purposes.

I would suggest, if one wants to pass themselves off as an RMC grad, find themselves one of those silly hats.

I try the FBI thing as a profiler. I watch Criminal Minds and I've read several books on the subject.

 

[dapaterson]

At parties, I claim to be a rodeo clown.  Leads to interesting conversations.  If I get called on it, I admit that really I'm only a student at Clown college.  Then, since I'm in Ottawa, people ask "U of Zero or Hogsback High?"

 

[chrisf]

Sorry.  I should have been more specific.  Don't refer to yourself as a ring-knocker as others may then assume that you experienced the whole RMC experience/BS.

I've always used the term "ring-knocker" in much the same way as the term "meat-head", is it somthing other than derogatory? (I mean that as a legitimate question)

 

[yoman]

The way that its been explained to us is that if you went to RMC and passed all 4 pillars you get to add "RMC" after your name. Yay...

 

[DexOlesa]

Well that last part is pure BS, the only part that changes whether you pass all 4 components or not (say you didn't become fully bilingual) is that instead of graduating in you Scarlet college uniform you graduate in your 1A's.

 

[Strike]

Well that last part is pure BS, the only part that changes whether you pass all 4 components or not (say you didn't become fully bilingual) is that instead of graduating in you Scarlet college uniform you graduate in your 1A's.

What last part are you talking about?  As far as I'm concerned a UTPNCM grad from RMC is also a ring-knocker who has passed all 4 pillars and they graduate in 1As.

 

[Wookilar]

Don't even get me started on the DEU 1A thing.... all right, since you asked...

Long story short:
ROTP/RETP student fails one of the 4 pillars but passes university: wears 1A's on grad parade.

UTPNCM student passes every damn thing thrown at them (and stays married in the process): wears 1A's on parade.

Did I take offence to someone "failing" their program looking similar to me?.....As a matter of fact, I did.

As far as the .rmc after you name, I received it (as did all Otters in my year)....and I certianly did not finish all 4 pillars as the ROTP/RETP students did.

As far as the degree goes, mine is also from DCS (BMASc). I will have to look at it to confirm exactly what is on it.

Wook

 

[rokkzstar]

hmmm still seems like some conflicting replies.

let me ask this...has anyone here graduated from the DCS?
I don't mean through any other program.

Just people working on their degrees while working(like I am).


again, it's just more for personal information. its not going to change how I feel about it, or change schools or anything.
and I'm not going to use it as some kind of "badge of honor"

But what made me question it is that I have heard about the Canadian Forces College vis RMC argument and I just wanted to get a confirmation on "where" the degree actually is issued from.

Techinically, the Canadian Forces College isn't a "recognized" university in Canada....