Threat of possible US Civil War

[tomahawk6]

It seems that Soros funded leftists are behind the unrest. Funny how the left complained about Russian interference.

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/11/soros-funded-orgs-behind-violent-anti-trump-protests-across-america/

 

[cavalryman]

Wall Street Journal says, "Anti-Trump Protests Likely to Continue".
http://www.wsj.com/articles/anti-trump-protests-turn-violent-in-oregon-1478885999

There have been six Republican presidents during my lifetime. Seven counting Mr. Trump.

I can't think of a single Republican president-elect who faced protests like these before inauguration. Only Mr. Trump.

Perhaps they are more anti-Trump, than anti-Republican?

Perhaps it's because the rise of the overgrown children who've never been denied, never lost anything, who've been given recompense for merely existing rather than striving and never had their narrow views challenged is a more recent phenomenon.  I can't recall there being such a thing as "safe spaces" "trigger warnings" "SJWs" "campus garbage babies" etc, even during the most recent Republican administration.  The phenomenon seems to have coalesced purely during the Obama years.

Let them riot.  They'll only reinforce the choice made by the pro-Trumps and make those sitting on the fence wonder.  Besides, rioters in Portland Oregon destroying Portland Oregon, one of the bluest places in the USA is like scoring repeated own goals while beating up your own goal keeper with a rock filled sock.  It makes no sense and everyone with two brain cells who's watching the action can figure out that the protestors are utter cretins.  All of that merely cements Trump's victory and shows why he won.  If they had a smidgen of intelligence, they would figure it out.  The fact that they don't speaks volumes  :facepalm:

 

[cupper]

Let them riot.  They'll only reinforce the choice made by the pro-Trumps and make those sitting on the fence wonder.  Besides, rioters in Portland Oregon destroying Portland Oregon, one of the bluest places in the USA is like scoring repeated own goals while beating up your own goal keeper with a rock filled sock.  It makes no sense and everyone with two brain cells who's watching the action can figure out that the protestors are utter cretins.  All of that merely cements Trump's victory and shows why he won.  If they had a smidgen of intelligence, they would figure it out.  The fact that they don't speaks volumes  :facepalm:

I wouldn't put the riot and the damage on the protesters, but more on the usual suspects. The few agitators who's only reason for being is to create mayhem and anarchy. These are the same group of brain dead morons that show up at the G20 summits and set fires, smash windows, loot stores and overturn cars. They are few in number, but their actions far outweigh anything the majority of peaceful protesters want to achieve.

This can't be attributed to Clinton backers or organizers. These f$@kwads were around long before this campaign season, and will go on well past the next few election cycles.

My beef with the millennials is that they want to detach themselves from the establishment and find alternate means of creating change, be it sit-ins like the Occupy movement, or use social media to influence change. Once they clue in that the only effective means of making change is to use the electoral process, look out. Once they realize that they outnumber Boomers, and will have a long period of control, we will be looking at a different world. But they need to get their heads out of their @sses first.

 

[daftandbarmy]

With the possibility of a U.S. Civil War more likely now than usual, would Canada be involved in any way and what role would they be involved in?

I'm asking because I am a dual citizen and looking to join the Canadian reserves.

They had their Civil War 1861-5... some say they haven't stopped fighting it yet, though.

 

[Fishbone Jones]

My beef with the millennials is that they want to detach themselves from the establishment and find alternate means of creating change, be it sit-ins like the Occupy movement, or use social media to influence change. Once they clue in that the only effective means of making change is to use the electoral process, look out. Once they realize that they outnumber Boomers, and will have a long period of control, we will be looking at a different world. But they need to get their heads out of their @sses first.

Until, hopefully,  they realize that there's no free lunch and no one is going to feed and shelter them. They'll get jobs or start a business and start to pick the lock that the socialist academia has put on their brains.

Like the Gen X & early Y's that gave us PEOTUS.  8)

 

[Brad Sallows]

"By the time all of the votes are in, several days hence, her lead is projected to exceed two million."

Coyne makes the usual error: assuming that the candidates would campaign the same in a winner-take-all FPTP vote as they do for electoral votes.

The popular vote share for US president is irrelevant for the same reason the popular vote share for parliament is irrelevant here: there are many (51) distinct elections, not a single election.  Running up a large vote surplus in CA doesn't extinguish the voices of much smaller states.  It is the United States, not the United Voters.

 

[The Bread Guy]

I wouldn't put the riot and the damage on the protesters, but more on the usual suspects ...

Sorry - if we're going to hold one side's feet to the fire over "the sins of the few idiots", we have to do the same to the other side. 

Google "diversity of tactics" to find out how a lot of protest groups (like Occupy) refuse to condemn or prevent their small group of idiots from damaging property during protests.

To anyone from any side allowing idiots to be idiots:  the standard you walk past, is the standard you accept.

 

[mariomike]

Perhaps it's because the rise of the overgrown children who've never been denied,

Times change fast. Not so sure people do. I don't know how old you are, but I'm old enough to remember the race riots and anti-draft protests in the US in the 1960's. I wasn't there, I saw it on TV.

But, I can't think of a single Republican president-elect who people rioted over before they were even sworn in. 

Incidentally, I'm as sickened by protestors and rioters and looters as anyone. Probably more so as a ( retired ) member of the city emergency services.

It was only a matter of time. Protester shot at the anti-Trump riots in Portland.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/11/12/one-shot-at-anti-trump-protest-in-portland.html?via=desktop&source=copyurl
"Police say the shooter got into an argument with one of the demonstrators on the Morrison Bridge before getting out of his vehicle and firing several shots."

Running up a large vote surplus in CA doesn't extinguish the voices of much smaller states. 

Clinton's Popular-Vote Lead Will Grow, and Grow, and Grow
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/11/clintons-popular-vote-lead-will-grow-and-grow/507455/
"Millions of mail-in and absentee ballots haven’t been counted yet. They won’t change anything, though."

They wonder why so many people don't even bother voting.

Perhaps that is why CalExit is gaining popularity?
"The campaign argues that California suffers under federal overregulation, that the state contributes more federal tax than it receives in federal funding, that the state feels isolated from political power in Washington, D.C., and that there is a wide gap between the political and cultural differences of California and the rest of the country."
http://www.yescalifornia.org/

From what I understand, California has about as much chance of independence as the GTA does from the province.

 

[cupper]

Perhaps that is why CalExit is gaining popularity?
"The campaign argues that California suffers under federal overregulation, that the state contributes more federal tax than it receives in federal funding, that the state feels isolated from political power in Washington, D.C., and that there is a wide gap between the political and cultural differences of California and the rest of the country."
http://www.yescalifornia.org/

From what I understand, California has about as much chance of independence as the GTA does from the province.

They may not have to secede from the union. Some reports indicate that the next big earthquake will separate the state from the rest of the country anyway. All they need to do is start fracking the hell out of the San Andreas fault.  ;D

 

[Journeyman]

From what I understand, California has about as much chance of independence as the GTA does from the province.

With the major difference being the rest of the US wants  California to stay....  op:

 

[mariomike]

With the major difference being the rest of the US wants  California to stay....  op:

No need for your popcorn smiley, we already have three pages on that,

City-state provinces in Canada? Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver 
http://army.ca/forums/threads/124115.50

"Political observers say the change is unlikely to happen, given it would require the approval of Parliament and seven of the provinces, with at least 50 per cent of the population."
Toronto Star March 16, 2010

From the Electoral Reform discussion, "Poor, rural and small town Canada gets paid by urban Canada, simple as that."

 

[George Wallace]

"Political observers say the change is unlikely to happen, given it would require the approval of Parliament and seven of the provinces, with at least 50 per cent of the population."
Toronto Star March 16, 2010

Isn't 50% of the population in the GTA?    [

 

[mariomike]

Isn't 50% of the population in the GTA?    [

Sometimes it feels like it! 

I read this,

"The Greater Toronto Area (GTA) is projected to be the fastest growing region of the province, with its population increasing by over 2.8 million, or 42.9 per cent, to reach almost 9.5 million by 2041. The GTA’s share of provincial population is projected to rise from 48.0 per cent in 2015 to 52.7 per cent in 2041."

 

[Jmarcha8]

While the Selective Service System may accept a legitimate excuse that your failure to register "was not knowing and willful", the Internal Revenue Service is likely less forgiving in a failure to fulfill the obligation of every US citizen (or permanent resident) to file income tax returns regardless of their country of residence.

Actually, Tax authorities are generally not out to put you in jail if you act in good faith, they have quite a few programs in place that allow people amnesty if they come forward. 

But regardless, I have been filing taxes for the last while anyways.

 

[Jmarcha8]

I wouldn't put the riot and the damage on the protesters, but more on the usual suspects. The few agitators who's only reason for being is to create mayhem and anarchy. These are the same group of brain dead morons that show up at the G20 summits and set fires, smash windows, loot stores and overturn cars. They are few in number, but their actions far outweigh anything the majority of peaceful protesters want to achieve.

This can't be attributed to Clinton backers or organizers. These f$@kwads were around long before this campaign season, and will go on well past the next few election cycles.

My beef with the millennials is that they want to detach themselves from the establishment and find alternate means of creating change, be it sit-ins like the Occupy movement, or use social media to influence change. Once they clue in that the only effective means of making change is to use the electoral process, look out. Once they realize that they outnumber Boomers, and will have a long period of control, we will be looking at a different world. But they need to get their heads out of their @sses first.

I agree to an extent, I do think (peaceful) protesting should be encouraged though, it may at least give leaders pause and is a legitimate part of the process. 

I am of pissed that Colin Kaepernick did not vote.  Heck, I would have at least respected him going to the poll and intentionally spoiling his ballot, at least that is doing something, like having a "no" vote.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

I have to chuckle that the anti-gun ownership side is threatening “direct action” and other threats against the side with the most guns. Would not end well.

 

[mariomike]

I have to chuckle that the anti-gun ownership side is threatening “direct action” and other threats against the side with the most guns. Would not end well.

From what I have read on here, acquiring guns in the US - one way or the other - isn't too difficult. Can't see it becoming any less convenient under Mr. Trump.
Maybe a civil war is inevitable, helps get rid of the bad blood? Nobody alive has witnessed post-election rioting like this. Just have to wait and see.
Not like there's nobody getting shot there now. I like to follow the emergency services action: Five people killed & at least 32 others were wounded in shootings in Chicago over the weekend. But, the Cubs won! 
Nothing new about bloodbaths in the US.

 

[Colin Parkinson]

They could acquire guns if they don't have a criminal record, but they still be out gunned and out aimed and out of ammo before the other side is.

 

[mariomike]

Doesn't sound too difficult,

Gun laws in the United States by state
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_the_United_States_by_state

 

[The Bread Guy]

I agree to an extent, I do think (peaceful) protesting should be encouraged though, it may at least give leaders pause and is a legitimate part of the process.

That bit in yellow being key.  At least Trump has told his folks publicly to stop being idiots* (how well that'll work is a different question, but at least he said it). 

Democrats on violence/property damage?  I stand to be corrected, but so far ... :crickets:

* - Caveat:  I'm linking to CBS, so feel free to base the truthiness of the claim on your read of CBS's bias or lack thereof.  ;D