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Training the Afghan Army for Feb 2008

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If all goes according to plan, Canada could begin backing away from its heavy combat role in the south of Afghanistan in about six months as the Afghan National Army matures -- something it is showing signs of doing, said Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor.

O'Connor was responding to new poll numbers that suggest support within Canada for the deployment is dropping while opposition is rising.

According to the Strategic Counsel poll conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail, 59 per cent of Canadians are now against sending troops to Afghanistan, up from 56 per cent a year ago, while 36 per cent support the deployment, down from 39 per cent.

During an appearance on CTV's Question Period that aired Sunday, O'Connor said those numbers are largely due to Canadians' lack of clear understanding of Canada's successes in Afghanistan, as well as the challenges faced there.

He said there is reason to believe that the situation in Afghanistan is improving, and Canada's frontline role will soon be reduced.

O'Connor said Canadian troops recently sponsored an Afghan infantry battalion, providing intense mentorship and training, and as a result the battalion is now out conducting its own operations.

He described it as a success that will be used as a model for training other battalions, and will eventually take pressure off the Canadians.

"Over the next four or five months were going to be picking up four or five additional Afghan battalions to train and mentor and get them out into the field," O'Connor said.

"We're hoping by the end of this rotation that's going in now, the so called Van Doos rotation, we'll have about 3,000 Afghan army operating within the Kandahar province, and as we train more and more of the Aghan army to carry out their own operations we'll continue to withdraw, put more emphasis on training, and at some stage basically be in reserve."

The Van Doos rotation in Afghanistan will last six months.

O'Connor also renewed his call for other NATO nations to step up their involvement and allow their troops to take part in combat operations in the more volatile regions of the country. At the moment, most of the heavy lifting is being done by Canada, the U.K., the Netherlands and the U.S.

"It would help the situation if more NATO nations sent troops to the south and the east but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. We have to train the Afghan army as quickly as possible and that's what we're doing," O'Connor said.




Edited by Vern to correct typo in the topic title.
 
Is this your commentary or plagiarism?

Plagiarism earns you an automatic Failure and kicked off Crse.
 
Source of article: http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070722/oconnor_afghanistan_070722/20070722?hub=TopStories

The plan has always been to develop the Afghan Army & Police to the point where the nation is able to look after its own security.  The focus is still there, we just might be getting closer to the goal line.
 
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070722/oconnor_afghanistan_070722/20070722?hub=TopStories


O'Connor: 'We have to train Afghan army quickly'

Updated Sun. Jul. 22 2007 3:57 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

If all goes according to plan, Canada could begin backing away from its heavy combat role in the south of Afghanistan in about six months as the Afghan National Army matures.

Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor said the Afghan army is showing signs of progress.

His comments come after new poll numbers last week suggesting Canadians' opposition to the mission is rising.

According to the Strategic Counsel poll conducted for CTV and The Globe and Mail, 59 per cent of Canadians are now against sending troops to Afghanistan, up from 56 per cent a year ago, while 36 per cent support the deployment, down from 39 per cent.

During an appearance on CTV's Question Period that aired Sunday, O'Connor said those numbers are largely due to Canadians' lack of clear understanding of Canada's successes in Afghanistan, as well as the challenges faced there.

He said there is reason to believe that the situation in Afghanistan is improving, and Canada's frontline role will soon be reduced.

O'Connor said Canadian troops recently sponsored an Afghan infantry battalion, providing intense mentorship and training, and as a result the battalion is now out conducting its own operations.

He described it as a success that will be used as a model for training other battalions, and will eventually take pressure off the Canadians.

"Over the next four or five months were going to be picking up four or five additional Afghan battalions to train and mentor and get them out into the field," O'Connor said.

"We're hoping by the end of this rotation that's going in now, the so called Van Doos rotation, we'll have about 3,000 Afghan army operating within the Kandahar province, and as we train more and more of the Aghan army to carry out their own operations we'll continue to withdraw, put more emphasis on training, and at some stage basically be in reserve."

The Van Doos rotation in Afghanistan will last six months.

O'Connor also renewed his call for other NATO nations to step up their involvement and allow their troops to take part in combat operations in the more volatile regions of the country. At the moment, most of the heavy lifting is being done by Canada, the U.K., the Netherlands and the U.S.

"It would help the situation if more NATO nations sent troops to the south and the east but we can't put all our eggs in one basket. We have to train the Afghan army as quickly as possible and that's what we're doing," O'Connor said.
 
I apologize to my fellow army.ca users. This subject would be an opinion about the article that was on CTV. Obviously I didn't write the article.If I offended anybody on this site sorry again. George Wallace I love you and thanks for pointing out the error in my ways.

Tow Tripod
 
OOOps didn't see this before I posted a new thread
called "Robert Fife at it again"

I liked the comments left on CTVs Comments section.

I hated Fifes tone.

There is hinting of desperation and failure that is (I think) uncalled for

 
MikeH said:
If all goes according to plan, Canada could begin backing away from its heavy combat role in the south of Afghanistan in about six months as the Afghan National Army matures.
I think what will be interesting to see is the degree & nature of "backing away."  I think the ANA could start taking more & more of the presence in the province (manning its own Coy FOBs where we might put a Pl house)
 
Video of the Fife piece is here:
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/HTMLTemplate?tf=/ctv/mar/video/new_player.html&cf=ctv/mar/ctv.cfg&hub=TopStories&video_link_high=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/07/22/ctvvideologger2_500kbps_2007_07_22_1185156274.wmv&video_link_low=mms://ctvbroadcast.ctv.ca/video/2007/07/22/ctvvideologger2_218kbps_2007_07_22_1185154333.wmv&clip_start=00:12:41.39&clip_end=00:02:19.50&clip_caption=CTV%20News:%20Robert%20Fife%20on%20Canada's%20training%20role&clip_id=ctvnews.20070722.00205000-00205262-clip4&subhub=video&no_ads=&sortdate=20070722&slug=oconnor_afghanistan_070722&archive=CTVNews

A guest-post of mine at Daimnation!:

Afghanistan and the unbearable ignorance of our media
http://www.damianpenny.com/archived/009844.html

Mark
Ottawa

 
Hillier contradicts Defense Minister and Prime Minister in public yet again. I hope we don't lose him!

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http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070729/hillier_afghanistan_070729/20070729?hub=TopStories

February hand-off would be a 'challenge': Hillier
Updated Sun. Jul. 29 2007 6:15 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canada's top soldier says handing over front-line fighting duties to Afghan soldiers by February will prove to be a "significant challenge."


Gen. Rick Hillier told CTV's Question Period that it's unlikely Canada's frontline presence will be scaled back because of the significant time commitment needed to train Afghan forces to take over security in the country.


Hillier effectively downplayed comments by Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor, who said last week on Question Period that by the time the 22nd Regiment takes over the mission in Afghanistan in August, the Canadian military will be shifting from combat to the classroom. And Afghan soldiers would take up the bulk of the fighting around Kandahar.

 
In accordance with the fair dealy thingy....

http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/20070729/hillier_afghanistan_070729/20070729?hub=TopStories

February hand-off would be a 'challenge': Hillier

Updated Sun. Jul. 29 2007 10:30 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Canada's top soldier says handing over front-line fighting duties to Afghan soldiers by February will prove to be a "significant challenge."

Gen. Rick Hillier told CTV's Question Period that it's unlikely Canada's frontline presence will be scaled back because of the significant time commitment needed to train Afghan forces to take over security in the country.

Hillier effectively downplayed comments by Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor, who said last week on Question Period that by the time the 22nd Regiment takes over the mission in Afghanistan in August, the Canadian military will be shifting from combat to the classroom. And Afghan soldiers would take up the bulk of the fighting around Kandahar.

"We'd like to see that it was in that position to be able to do so by next February, but that would be certainly a significant challenge for them," said Hillier.

"We still don't have all the troops in the South, (but) we have a lot more than we did before. More are coming quite literally this week and more in the fall. But we've got a large training role to work to help them meet so they can be ready for operations, and whether that's February or March, it's hard to tell one specific date. We're working very hard at it because that's what we set out from the start."

A small contingent from the 22nd Regiment, known as the Van Doos, began arriving in Kandahar earlier in the month. By August, there will be about 2,500 new Canadian soldiers on the ground -- 2,330 from Quebec.

O'Connor said the Van Doos will be training up to four or five battalions of the Afghan army -- about 3,000 soldiers.

Hillier contends Afghanistan is a volatile country with a need for Canadian troops to continue the role of securing the nation so the development accomplished doesn't regress.

"We are in the fight. There are direct combat actions required to keep the Taliban from stopping the progress in southern Afghanistan and tearing the country further apart," Hillier said.

'Frustrated' over slow progress

Hillier also took a hard line on Afghan President Hamid Karzai's government saying that rampant corruption has proven to be frustrating for Canadian Forces.

"All engaged with the mission on any level have been frustrated by the slow progress on building an effective government that can efficiently deliver the kinds of programs that people back here in Canada take for granted and to do it without corruption, which is significant and does detract from the mission," Hillier said.

"More work needs to go into helping President Karzai build the right kind of honest government that can actually do the job for Afghans. And we've got a short period of time to be able to do that kind of thing."

The Conservative government has been under pressure to make clearer its exit strategy from the war-torn nation.

"This government should speak with clarity," Liberal defence critic Ujjal Dosanjh told CTV News on Sunday. "It's the PM's responsibility. If the minister isn't in charge then the PM needs to put him in charge -- or put somebody else in charge."

Sixty-six Canadian military personnel and one diplomat have died in Afghanistan since 2002.

With Canada's mission set to end in February 2009, Prime Minister Stephen Harper has said he would only extend Canada's combat commitment with the consensus of Parliament.

But that appears unlikely to happen with the NDP and Bloc Quebecois dead set against any extension, and the Liberals wanting the combat mission to end on schedule.

Hillier said in a democracy, a chief of defence staff takes orders from the Government of Canada and the fact that missions change is par for the course.

"We've been in Kandahar before. We were in Kabul before. And then we had a period of low time and then (we were) back in Kandahar. So the mission can change. But I, as the Chief of Defence Staff, will take my direction, obviously, from the prime minister."

Hillier added that Minister O'Connor has done "all the things necessary" to ensure Canadian soldiers were executing their duties as successfully as possible. He said soldiers, however, are frustrated that Canadians aren't seeing and understanding the progress occurring in southern Afghanistan in spite of the challenges posed by insurgents.

"All they've seen back here are, you know, detainees, casualties and that kind of thing, and all the great things that have been occurring just don't seem to be seen back here in this country," said Hillier.

"When people do hear about them, when they see them, we find that 75 per cent or more of people who know about it support the mission."

This is literally a non- issue. The media is taking things out of context and the opposition is taking it to the bank.

Ujjal Dosanjh should take a bit of his own medicine from his past failings when the Liberals were in power.

Regards
 
It does sound like Hillier is contradicting O'Connor from the first glance...
 
The Minister should have known better than to - for purely political reasons - even hint that we would be out of the fighting business by next February.  Despite the media's hue and cry and spin (and there is spin here, attempting to create controversy), the level of true "disagreement" is practically nil. 

Hillier is merely outlining the plan (and BGen Grant was in the press today as well, doing exactly the same thing), that the military is implementing to train the Afghan National Army.  This has been the concept all along, as the more knowledgable media would surely know and the CDS is well within his lane.  The fact that this plan doesn't fit neatly with the Minister's political requirements to now soft-sell the mission to a whiny media and public isn't the CDS' problem.
 
A post at The Torch:

Media create fake war: Hillier et al. vs. O'Connor
http://toyoufromfailinghands.blogspot.com/2007/07/media-create-fake-war-hillier-et-al-vs.html

Mark
Ottawa

 
Heh..well spotted.  However, the "fake war" is something the media seems to be determined to make real.
 
An excerpt from an e-mail by Alain Pellerin, Executive Director of the Conference of Defence Associations:

The CDA would like to bring to your attention Gen Rick Hillier's interview on CTV QP on 29 July...You will note that the interviewer tries to highlight what he sees as some cleavage between the CDS and MND on the future of the mission, particularly on the previous comments of the MND on CF being in "reserve" eventually and according to Bob Fiffe on the CTV National News on 22 July that:" Defence Minister Gordon O'Connor says by the time the 22nd Regiment, known as the Van Doos, takes over the mission in Afghanistan in August, the Canadian military will be shifting from combat to the classroom."

At no time did the Minister, in his interview, suggest that " the Canadian military will be shifting from combat to the classroom." He did suggest, however, that the R22eR Battle group will become less and less involved in active combat and will act more and more as a provider of training and mentoring to the nascent Afghan Army. The key to a successful withdrawal from Afghanistan is developing Afghan security forces, the ANA and ANP, to the point where they are able to assume the burden of their nation’s security. I will leave it to you to draw your conclusions as to whether the MND, the CDS and Tim Grant are in disagreement over the mission in Kandahar. I do not believe they are...

Mark
Ottawa
 
MarkOttawa said:
An excerpt from an e-mail by Alain Pellerin, Executive Director of the Conference of Defence Associations:

Mark
Ottawa

Who was the recipient of this e-mail?  CTV?
 
The "Tail wagging the dog" revisited??

How can the Canadian public be expected to form their opinions based on facts when all the MSM keeps spewing this stuff??


Cheers



 
Haggis: The CDA has a general address list that they put me on.  I don't know if CTV is on it.

Mark
Ottawa
 
I trust General Hillier, and so should Mr O'Connor.  The size of the battlegroup heading to Astan after the VanDoos would suggest a significant combat role.  Significant purchases have been made in order to kick the Talibans AS$!  Canadas capabilities fit the role, ANA not so much...  Canadian solders are going to lay a HURTIN' on the Taliban for a while to come.  Mr. O'Connor did shed light on how effective the ANA is now.  As a result of time and training from the CF, which deserves our highest level of respect!  Great Work Troops!!  Progress with Pride!
 
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