Transition to Municipal Police Force

[daftandbarmy]

So SPS can't handle it? Hmmm...

Surrey calls for 150 additional police officers to address extortion​

The City of Surrey is calling on the federal and provincial governments to temporarily deploy 150 officers from the RCMP and Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit to tackle the ongoing shootings and extortions targeting residents and business owners.

Surrey calls for 150 additional police officers to address extortion

The City of Surrey is calling on the federal and provincial governments to temporarily deploy 150 officers from the RCMP and Combined Forces Special Enforcement Unit to tackle the ongoing shootings and extortions targeting residents and business owners.

www.surrey.ca

 

[RedFive]

I seem to recall being told they were going to be better than the RCMP in every way, no more expensive, and community oriented. Guess not.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Well, someone pay the Bishnoi gang to target people in Burnaby and Langley for a while and we'll find out.

 

[Booter]

I’m all for the transitions and breaking down contract policing. Communities should be able to purchase the service they want- the problem is that operationally the RCMP is quite robust- and in contract policing there is very little fat to trim.

So with a transition you have higher than anticipated costs just to reach the access to service you had before- and that period is followed by the realization that your community is also now paying the civil liability (the rcmp pays when the rcmp is sued- even in contract.) and the capabilities in full unless you enter into a sharing agreement with a neighbouring service. But most of the proposed services are not starting adjacent to other services that aren’t RCMP.

If you want control of the service and the symbols it’s going to cost you- a lot- and you won’t have the same access to surge policing you had previously. Just how it is. Lots of world class agencies in Canada. It can be done. It’s just not the simple task it’s been made to be.

 

[daftandbarmy]

I’m all for the transitions and breaking down contract policing. Communities should be able to purchase the service they want- the problem is that operationally the RCMP is quite robust- and in contract policing there is very little fat to trim.

So with a transition you have higher than anticipated costs just to reach the access to service you had before- and that period is followed by the realization that your community is also now paying the civil liability (the rcmp pays when the rcmp is sued- even in contract.) and the capabilities in full unless you enter into a sharing agreement with a neighbouring service. But most of the proposed services are not starting adjacent to other services that aren’t RCMP.

If you want control of the service and the symbols it’s going to cost you- a lot- and you won’t have the same access to surge policing you had previously. Just how it is. Lots of world class agencies in Canada. It can be done. It’s just not the simple task it’s been made to be.

I just find it odd that we haven't heard from the Police Chief yet. And this is the Mayor that was against the SPS and for the RCMP.

Is she crying wolf? I have no idea of course...

 

[Cloud Cover]

Looks like Kelowna’s going to explore the option of going to its own municipal service. I didn’t know that was the Mounties’ largest contract detachment now.

Kelowna considers future without RCMP as it weighs municipal police transition

Kelowna RCMP's role as a central policing hub for the region is set to be splintered off, and it has city hall exploring whether it should continue contracting Mounties in the future.

infotel.ca

Vernon, North Okanagan and Columbia Regional District all meeting this fall to discuss a large regional police service stretching from Lake Country to Salmon Arm. The major pain point is 2025 RCMP salary costs in a region than ever moved out of the 1995 economy. Second one (no surprise) is a major distrust of the RCMP - Ottawa inputs ( the old dumping ground argument).

 

[brihard]

Vernon, North Okanagan and Columbia Regional District all meeting this fall to discuss a large regional police service stretching from Lake Country to Salmon Arm. The major pain point is 2025 RCMP salary costs in a region than ever moved out of the 1995 economy. Second one (no surprise) is a major distrust of the RCMP - Ottawa inputs ( the old dumping ground argument).

RCMP salaries simply finally caught up to parity with everyone else… There’s not gonna be a cheaper option for them. Before the Mounties unionized, they were lagging increasingly badly in pay, so many regions and municipalities were getting policing at a discount. No surprise that, a few years after that finally changed, various jurisdictions are considering their options.

 

[Booter]

Mounties are still cheaper than any other choice because of the funding model. There has to be a different reason to transition. No transition yet has been cheaper. Ever.

@Cloud Cover what is the “Ottawa dumping ground argument”? I’m familiar with not liking ottawas input- but I don’t get that comment.

We usually work with a policing committee or advisory board and not a police commission so the power isn’t as fleshed out to direct local police services as some would like.

 

[brihard]

Mounties are still cheaper than any other choice because of the funding model. There has to be a different reason to transition. No transition yet has been cheaper. Ever.

Yup, but the gap has narrowed and the opportunity cost of moving to a different model has shrunk, although yes it’s still there.

 

[Eaglelord17]

Can’t keep raising the costs eternally if the regions income isn’t following suit. Eventually something has to give.

 

[Cloud Cover]

RCMP salaries simply finally caught up to parity with everyone else… There’s not gonna be a cheaper option for them. Before the Mounties unionized, they were lagging increasingly badly in pay, so many regions and municipalities were getting policing at a discount. No surprise that, a few years after that finally changed, various jurisdictions are considering their options.

Could be worse for them. Average NYPD salary for 5 year patrolman in CAD$ is what? 180, 190k?
Tax payer exhaustion is real out here.

 

[RedFive]

Can’t keep raising the costs eternally if the regions income isn’t following suit. Eventually something has to give.

Service levels, probably. We already struggle to retain people interested in eating a double helping of society's failings even with the additional pay, and that's not just an RCMP issue.

Strip away the surge capacity of the RCMP as well as our access to grouped specialized services and the only feasible option left is staffing levels.

 

[lenaitch]

Could be worse for them. Average NYPD salary for 5 year patrolman in CAD$ is what? 180, 190k?
Tax payer exhaustion is real out here.

It's quite a range down in the US. LAPD is around $175 CAD (statewide median is about $162K CAD) , but the average in Mississippi is around $64K CAD. We down on a bike trip in, I think, Ohio and got chatting up a local copper. His entire departmental budget (him and a part-timer) was less than an OPP Cst. made at the time. A lot of small departments, there and here, are 'stand-alone' in claim only.

That smaller Canadian police service members make less than the RCMP, OPP, etc. is not because they want to.