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Bold move - let's see how China responds.
 
Bold move - let's see how China responds.
Hoo boy. This one could get wild.
 
I don't know what you know on this subject, but what is your position? Do you prefer the status quo?

It's widely known that China sends students and academics to spy on the West but, ironically, Western schools rely heavily on the money they bring in...

Students or spies? How China infiltrated US universities​



Nearly 277,000 Chinese students in American universities stare at an uncertain future as the United States will start "aggressively" revoking visas of Chinese students, including those with connections to the Chinese Communist Party or studying in critical fields. The Trump administration last week cited Harvard University's ties to China as among several reasons for revoking its ability to enroll foreign students, a move temporarily blocked by a US judge. The number of Chinese students in the US, a Reuters report said, dropped to about 277,000 in 2024 from a high of around 370,000 in 2019, pulled lower by growing tension between the world's two biggest economies, heightened US government scrutiny of Chinese students, and the COVID-19 pandemic.

In the past decade or so, a large number of cases have come up in which Chinese students, researchers and professors were found to be spying for the Chinese government or were linked to the Chinese military, the People's Liberation Army (PLA). It is now commonly known that China has done pilferage of American technology and research at a huge scale to ramp up its industry and military. The US universities have become high-value targets in China's broader campaign of intellectual property theft and intelligence gathering. The academic environment—open, collaborative, and largely unguarded—has proven fertile ground for covert operations conducted under the cover of education and research.

 
International students, particularly from countries with larger populations, are vital to the interests of the US, provided it can entice most of them to remain in the US. That is how the US can maintain a strategic advantage on the bleeding edges of everything despite a smaller population.

However, that generous education policy is counterproductive if students are a significant gateway for espionage or do not mostly remain in the US.
 
... Western schools rely heavily on the money they bring in...
Also in part (but not entirely) because of government policies cutting back funding for domestic students, hence the delicate balancing act. Same dynamic here in Canada, too.

LATE ADD: Lookit who's on his way out the door ....
 
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I know enough that I very much do not prefer the status quo. I just think this is gonna go over like a wet fart in church with China.
China is basically Russia without the overt territory grabs and war, which some people think might change within a year (Taiwan). Should we worry about how either will respond to such provocations, or go ahead and tell them to suck it up or behave?
 
China is basically Russia without the overt territory grabs and war, which some people think might change within a year (Taiwan). Should we worry about how either will respond to such provocations, or go ahead and tell them to suck it up or behave?
You’re presenting a false either/or. Western nations should gauge what’s in our best interests based on our best assessment of likely adversary responses, do the things that assess to be in our best interests based but then remain concerned about and attentive to what the other guy does- it may not match our expectations, and the math might change in ways we weren’t anticipating.

China has a way of looking at things holistically and on very long time frames that we struggle with.
 
You’re presenting a false either/or. Western nations should gauge what’s in our best interests based on our best assessment of likely adversary responses, do the things that assess to be in our best interests based but then remain concerned about and attentive to what the other guy does- it may not match our expectations, and the math might change in ways we weren’t anticipating.

China has a way of looking at things holistically and on very long time frames that we struggle with.
China has a way of having civil wars when it gets too big for the rulers in the centre to effectively impose their authority everywhere.

Appeasement and co-operation makes their position stronger. Then I suppose we'd "gauge our interests", find our position weakening, and order up more appeasement and co-operation. Etc.
 
China has a way of having civil wars when it gets too big for the rulers in the centre to effectively impose their authority everywhere.

Appeasement and co-operation makes their position stronger. Then I suppose we'd "gauge our interests", find our position weakening, and order up more appeasement and co-operation. Etc.
Not sure what you’re replying to exactly. It certainly doesn’t address anything I’ve actually said.
 
Not sure what you’re replying to exactly. It certainly doesn’t address anything I’ve actually said.
Probably not. I'm addressing the "must punish Russia" / "must accommodate China" crowd. Both governments pose similar threats. Accommodation works cyclically - the more you accommodate, the more powerful they become, and the more you must accommodate. Problems are best solved while small, so don't accommodate when the threat is obvious. Even Russia hasn't managed the degree of political and industrial interference that China does.
 
Probably not. I'm addressing the "must punish Russia" / "must accommodate China" crowd. Both governments pose similar threats. Accommodation works cyclically - the more you accommodate, the more powerful they become, and the more you must accommodate. Problems are best solved while small, so don't accommodate when the threat is obvious. Even Russia hasn't managed the degree of political and industrial interference that China does.
Got it. I mistakenly took your post to suggest I was advancing the position you were describing. Assuredly not.
 
International students, particularly from countries with larger populations, are vital to the interests of the US, provided it can entice most of them to remain in the US. That is how the US can maintain a strategic advantage on the bleeding edges of everything despite a smaller population.

However, that generous education policy is counterproductive if students are a significant gateway for espionage or do not mostly remain in the US.
US study visa holders MUST leave within 60 days of the end of their studies. They are considered temporary residents.
 
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