Gunplumber
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I cant see anywhere where it says that the child was DEPORTED, it says the mother decided to take the child with her as she WAS deported. The father was not deported as he is a US citizen.
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Functionally the same thing. The family had no opportunity to make an informed decision nor arrangements for the child. The mother in immigration custody got about a minute on the phone with the child’s father.
There have been multiple other cases where deportations have happened too fast for the subjects to engage due process, resulting in, in one cases, a four year old U.S. citizen child suffering from cancer being sent overseas with their deported mother, and in another case a mother being separated from a U.S. citizen infant who she is currently breastfeeding and who suffers seizures.
A country has the right to control who enters and stays. I have no issue there. But deportation actions that are deliberately carried out too fast to permit meaningful challenge or review, and which either separate parents and small children, or don’t allow for care arrangements to be made, are just disgusting and in some cases bordering on evil.
I won’t be surprised if we see a federal judge soon issue an order to impose a mandatory administrative delay and access to counsel for all planned deportations where a juvenile Us citizen will either be removed with a deported adult, or that affects the caregiving of a juvenile US citizen who is the child or in the legal custody of the adult(s) to be deported. There’s no shortage of people subject to lawful removal orders. I’m sure immigration authorities can keep themselves more than busy enough even if they have to wait two weeks before kicking out a mother who’s breastfeeding an infant with citizenship.
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Yes, but saying the child was deported is 100% untrue. The child could have stayed with the father. I think they should have been given more time too, but that didnt happen. You (not you personally, but people in general) can not be mad that the child was deported because it didnt happen, but it makes "good" headlines and people can be upset but it still isnt true. Is headlines to get people riled up.
Call it whatever you want. A two year old child was taken into immigration custody with its mother. The mother was deported and was not given the opportunity to make proper arrangements and informed decisions about care for the child, so the two year old was shipped off to Guatemala. “Your child can leave with you, or you can blindly trust us to take care of them” from the people holding you in custody isn’t a real choice. There was no good faith here by the government.
You know what happens next? The government shrugs and says “The child has Guatemalan citizenship as well and is in Guatemala. Not our problem”. The family will bear the burden and expense of trying to repatriate a U.S. citizen - a toddler - who never should have been removed from the country in the first place.
Are you upset about the actual fact set but want to quibble on words? Or are you cool with how this was carried out by the U.S. government?
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Im quibbling on the words. We keep talking on here about using reality and facts and not supposition and miss truths.
If your an illegal immigrant (was she? Im not sure) and one government is cool with you being there then all is fine. When it changes, be ready for things to change.
I lived in another country for 5 years, I could not buy a house or a car and had to sublet an appt from a work colleague. Those were the rules and when they said time to go, I went.
The writing was on the wall down there so it shouldnt have been a surprise so they should have prepared.
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This is going to be a difficult edge case. Overwhelmingly the default in any kind of potential separation of mother and child is for the child to remain with the mother. Suppose a mother wants to leave a child in the US - some will characterize it as abandonment, some as compassion on the part of the mother. Assuming that a child will continue to retain its US citizenship, is a legal process by which mothers may separate from their children for years acceptable?
What is supposed to happen later? A child in the US becomes an anchor point for the mother to return? That is unacceptable to the people who want illegal aliens deported without setting conditions which might provide a special path to re-entry.
Anyone who has dual citizenship typically bears "the burden and expense" of travelling to a country in which he holds citizenship. Is the issue that the birth citizenship of the child will be stripped? Otherwise, the child is in the same position as the millions of people who hold more than one citizenship from birth and subsequently elect to move.
Justice is blind. It doesn’t have to be heartless.
Same reply covers both posts: it’s a simple matter of allowing a modest amount of time and facilitating the necessary communication to allow due process and a bit of compassionate attention to child care. That’s reasonable and not onerous.
I have no problem with a country removing people who don’t have the right to be there. I have arrested, or caused to be arrested and removed, people who were subsequently kicked out of Canada because they got in but were inadmissible. So I’m not some ivory tower type talking about things with nothing more than theoretical knowledge. If the law is that someone shall be removed, cool.
If you’re doing it in a way where calm and informed decisions cannot be made about the care for a toddler or infant or a kid wi th complex medical needs, probably what you’re doing is shitty. If this was a one-off that would be one thing, but immigration authorities and the administration have been deliberately working to outpace or circumvent due process. They don’t get the benefit of the doubt.
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Not really the same. A reasonable policy aim would be to prevent/disallow separation of mother and child, period, particularly of younger children. People can disagree on that. Deportation and denial of entry are hard on people, as is the journey to attempt illegal entry in the first place. Almost all people attempting to enter the US are seeking improvement in their circumstances, and short of an open border there aren't really any scenarios that don't end in comparative hardship.
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A significant weakness that China has in the tariff wars, Ethane
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The problem is that if you give people some time and a chance to think about it, they disappear. Long gone and good luck trying to find them. It happens all the time and the public is tired of it so now its wham bam thank you ma'am. Look at all our so called students who come here and never go to school and just stay here. It has to end and I have no problem with rounding up the illegals and sending them home. Do it the proper way and then I say, welcome. Look what's happened to Ireland.
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Tip of the iceberg? Could spell disaster for the US economy if others join in.
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Say goodbye to the dollar in these 11 countries in 2025 - it will no longer be valid and you will not be able to use it after that date
The dollar is losing strength, it’s not a theory, nor is it a rumour. Eleven countries have officially announced that they will stop using the U.S. currency
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Tip of the iceberg? Could spell disaster for the US economy if others join in.
Say goodbye to the dollar in these 11 countries in 2025 - it will no longer be valid and you will not be able to use it after that date
The dollar is losing strength, it’s not a theory, nor is it a rumour. Eleven countries have officially announced that they will stop using the U.S. currency
Those 11 are insignificant in the greater scheme of things. The US dollar will remain the most powerful currency for the foreseeable future, as will the US economy, no matter what Trump does...
Why is the US dollar so strong? | USAFacts
The dollar’s value comes from the US’ position as a critical global economic power and the country's political and economic stability.
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“Do it the proper way” is literally what I’m saying. Detain them pending removal? Sure, go nuts. Mechanisms exist for these things.
It’s not rocket science. If you arrest a parent with their small kids who are citizens, and you don’t provide them meaningful opportunity to speak to the other parent or other lawfully resident adults who can provide or arrange care for the children, you’re in the wrong.
Removing people who are in the country illegally is fine, but allow due process. If there are kids involved who are citizens, give the family a reasonable opportunity - it doesn’t have to be that long - to figure out and make arrangements if they so wish.
There is zero good faith from the administration in any of this, so I hope lawyers continue to shove immigration due process right back down their throats.
daftandbarmy
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I think you've nicely described their brand.
If you are not welcoming, people will not be interested in visiting...
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No. The child could not have just stayed with the father if the family was not given the opportunity for the father to take custody of the child. The family attempted what you identify as the obvious & simple solution, and the state worked against enabling that. Don’t be an apologists for evil.