Trump administration 2024-2028

[PrairieFella]

Reasonable or effective?

Exactly. These rogues need to start feeling some heat. The legislative branch still has some power and they need to exercise it to the full extent. I'm frankly shocked that a judge is even entertaining the felony charges.

 

[daftandbarmy]

If you listen closely you can hear them screaming in Cupertino...

Trump threatens 50% tariffs on EU and 25% penalties on smart phones as his trade war intensifies​

President Donald Trump on Friday threatened a 50% tax on all imports from the European Union as well a 25% tariff on smartphones unless those products are made in America.

The threats, delivered over social media, reflect Trump’s ability to disrupt the global economy with a burst of typing, as well as the reality that his tariffs have yet to produce the trade deals he is seeking or the return of domestic manufacturing he has promised voters.

The Republican president said he wants to charge higher import taxes on goods from the EU, a longstanding US ally, than from China, a geopolitical rival that had its tariffs cut to 30% this month so Washington and Beijing could hold negotiations. Trump was upset by the lack of progress in trade talks with the EU, which has proposed mutually cutting tariffs to zero even as the president has publicly insisted on preserving a baseline 10% tax on most imports.

Trump threatens 50% tariffs on EU and 25% penalties on smart phones as his trade war intensifies

President Donald Trump is threatening a 50% tax on all imports from the European Union as well as a 25% tariff on smartphones unless the products are made in America.

apnews.com

 

[brihard]

If you listen closely you can hear them screaming in Cupertino...

Trump threatens 50% tariffs on EU and 25% penalties on smart phones as his trade war intensifies​

President Donald Trump on Friday threatened a 50% tax on all imports from the European Union as well a 25% tariff on smartphones unless those products are made in America.

The threats, delivered over social media, reflect Trump’s ability to disrupt the global economy with a burst of typing, as well as the reality that his tariffs have yet to produce the trade deals he is seeking or the return of domestic manufacturing he has promised voters.

The Republican president said he wants to charge higher import taxes on goods from the EU, a longstanding US ally, than from China, a geopolitical rival that had its tariffs cut to 30% this month so Washington and Beijing could hold negotiations. Trump was upset by the lack of progress in trade talks with the EU, which has proposed mutually cutting tariffs to zero even as the president has publicly insisted on preserving a baseline 10% tax on most imports.

Trump threatens 50% tariffs on EU and 25% penalties on smart phones as his trade war intensifies

President Donald Trump is threatening a 50% tax on all imports from the European Union as well as a 25% tariff on smartphones unless the products are made in America.

apnews.com

Dude doesn’t know economics worth shit… Even with a 25% tariff it won’t make sense for Apple to produce iPhones domestically even if they could do it tomorrow- and they can’t. Huge expenditure of capital and time to restore that. And the constant jerking around of tariff rates for various geographic areas just continues to destroy predictability and regulatory stability that businesses depend on. The market will still adjust to and stabilize against bad but stable regulatory decisions (it just won’t work as efficiently or make as much money), but when you keep shifting the rules and companies don’t know what to expect, they can’t weigh the cost benefit enough to be confident investing there.

 

[PrairieFella]

Dude doesn’t know economics worth shit… Even with a 25% tariff it won’t make sense for Apple to produce iPhones domestically even if they could do it tomorrow- and they can’t. Huge expenditure of capital and time to restore that. And the constant jerking around of tariff rates for various geographic areas just continues to destroy predictability and regulatory stability that businesses depend on. The market will still adjust to and stabilize against bad but stable regulatory decisions (it just won’t work as efficiently or make as much money), but when you keep shifting the rules and companies don’t know what to expect, they can’t weigh the cost benefit enough to be confident investing there.

If there is a lesson to be learned here, it's that the executive should never be allowed to set trade policy unilaterally ever again.

 

[KevinB]

Dude doesn’t know economics worth shit… Even with a 25% tariff it won’t make sense for Apple to produce iPhones domestically even if they could do it tomorrow- and they can’t. Huge expenditure of capital and time to restore that. And the constant jerking around of tariff rates for various geographic areas just continues to destroy predictability and regulatory stability that businesses depend on. The market will still adjust to and stabilize against bad but stable regulatory decisions (it just won’t work as efficiently or make as much money), but when you keep shifting the rules and companies don’t know what to expect, they can’t weigh the cost benefit enough to be confident investing there.

A little over an decade ago there was a drive to make secure Apple devices for the USG. Some were made, but the price tag eventually scared off most of the potential users.

Well over 4k for a phone and 6k for a tablet just made domestically before some of the other features made most entities look elsewhere.
Now the phone are all OBE and the IPads just used for secure briefings at places and are all hard loaded prior.

 

[HavokFour]

This bigly brain idea extends beyond just Apple, even non-American companies like Samsung.

Trump says Samsung, other phone-makers could be hit with tariffs
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[Brad Sallows]

No idea of US law, however the only errors committed were by ICE.

In this case, I'm interested mostly in the law, not the politics or the appearance of propriety.

While immediate recourse to lethal force might be overkill, Congress has right of access. This is absolute. If the Rep had turned up with a dozen goons and forced entry through beating up ICE agents, there would still only be error on the part of ICE.

So where would the line be between beating up ICE agents and lethal force, I wonder?

 

[Brad Sallows]

The "law" that gives Members of Congress access for purposes of oversight as per the guidance on ICE's website (it predates the Read the complaint.

McIver-Complaint

www.documentcloud.org

Illuminating. It is only left to wonder at how often the perception of what happened is so at odds with the facts.

 

[brihard]

This bigly brain idea extends beyond just Apple, even non-American companies like Samsung.

Trump says Samsung, other phone-makers could be hit with tariffs
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He must have realized how really stupid a tariff targeting Apple but not foreign cell phone companies like Samsung would look.

Onshoring cell phone production just isn’t gonna make economic sense. He’s unaligned with reality.

 

[Blackadder1916]

Illuminating. It is only left to wonder at how often the perception of what happened is so at odds with the facts.

Probably more often than not. Especially when facts are inconvenient.

 

[quadrapiper]

In this case, I'm interested mostly in the law, not the politics or the appearance of propriety.

The fact these goons felt they could play power games with elected representatives (almost entirely a political and appearance matter) rather than deferring and saying "sure, bring the mayor, whatever" matters more than the legal points.

So where would the line be between beating up ICE agents and lethal force, I wonder?

As in where/when/how one might transition to the other?

 

[Good2Golf]

No idea of US law, however the only errors committed were by ICE.

While immediate recourse to lethal force might be overkill, Congress has right of access. This is absolute. If the Rep had turned up with a dozen goons and forced entry through beating up ICE agents, there would still only be error on the part of ICE.

This is not a matter for the courts. Congress, if they had any guts, should have dropped all other business to affirm their standing and to deputize, honestly, whoever a given rep or senator chose to guarantee that standing and access. However, both houses are captured by a pack of fascist bootlickers, so that's not going to happen.

Enter.
The law allows them to use whatever force is required to do so. They said, they aren’t armed and the ICE etc are

Hmmm, if a Congressional Member was of like mind and supported by the Governor of same State, one could imagine there being the possibility of a protective detail detachment of a security force that the Governor commands, and that could provide to the Congressional Member as they performed their inspection…

 

[lenaitch]

One wonders why any world leader would agree to have a public sit-down with Trump and his crew when they set them up as a drive-by lynching. If anyone thought the treatment of Zelenskyy was spontaneous, they even had audio-visual support ready to go for the President of South Africa.

Trump’s ambush of South Africa’s president shows how low the US has fallen | Justice Malala

Instead of embarrassing Cyril Ramaphosa, the US president’s ‘gotcha’ moment illuminates the fact-free reality show that is Trump’s America

www.theguardian.com

 

[Brad Sallows]

The fact these goons felt they could play power games with elected representatives (almost entirely a political and appearance matter) rather than deferring and saying "sure, bring the mayor, whatever" matters more than the legal points.

It would be absurd to demand absolute respect for the letter of law in one case and go all loosey-goosey in another.

 

[quadrapiper]

So where would the line be between beating up ICE agents and lethal force, I wonder?

Whatever is required to ensure that the representative is able to carry out their lawful duties: in this case entering, without warning or oversight, ICE facilities.

That could be Congressional ID slid across the counter, an asp to the knee (or whatever), or the sort of force @Good2Golf suggests with whatever sort of open-ended ROE you might want.

Re: employees of Congress, the access option seems pretty clear if it's someone told off to poke around and report back (24 hours notice). Still curious what the original intent was/what comparable practice might be as far as a Congressperson showing up with their entourage. Does Senator Bloggins have to leave their aides at the gate? Can't really see that being in the original intent.

 

[quadrapiper]

It would be absurd to demand absolute respect for the letter of law in one case and go all loosey-goosey in another.

One party is an immigrant gaoler, the other an elected federal rep. There should be no question of who defers to whom if there's a question of appropriate action.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Whatever is required to ensure that the representative is able to carry out their lawful duties: in this case entering, without warning or oversight, ICE facilities.

That could be Congressional ID slid across the counter, an asp to the knee (or whatever), or the sort of force @Good2Golf suggests with whatever sort of open-ended ROE you might want.

Re: employees of Congress, the access option seems pretty clear if it's someone told off to poke around and report back (24 hours notice). Still curious what the original intent was/what comparable practice might be as far as a Congressperson showing up with their entourage. Does Senator Bloggins have to leave their aides at the gate? Can't really see that being in the original intent.

"Original intent" probably didn't include many site visits, considering the transportation technology of the time. Nor massive staffs. Obviously we can't ask.

 

[Brad Sallows]

One party is an immigrant gaoler, the other an elected federal rep. There should be no question of who defers to whom if there's a question of appropriate action.

Irrelevant to my point, which is not about who defers to whom but is about all laws being taken equally seriously.

 

[Blackadder1916]

"Original intent" probably didn't include many site visits, considering the transportation technology of the time. Nor massive staffs. Obviously we can't ask.

I didn't realize that transportation technology had changed that much in the six years since the requirement to permit Congresspersons access to ICE detention facilities was included in the appropriations acts.

ICE Accountability Report

Following a series of disturbing reports at immigration detention centers around the country and refusal by Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) to claim responsibility for the medical c

crow.house.gov

May 20, 2019: Crow introduces Public Oversight of Detention Center (POD) Act, a bill to require members of Congress to gain access to federal immigration detention centers within 48 hours of request
December 20, 2019: POD Act is signed into law as part of a FY 2020 spending bill, allowing all members of Congress to access immigration detention facilities with no notice, and for congressional staff to gain entry with only 24 hours notice

 

[Brad Sallows]

I didn't realize that transportation technology had changed that much in the six years since the requirement to permit Congresspersons access to ICE detention facilities was included in the appropriations acts.

I wrote about the concept of oversight. Even now it is mostly conducted by going through paperwork.

Regardless, it isn't difficult to distinguish between performative grandstanding and genuine inquiry and investigation.