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Trump administration 2024-2028

CBH99 said:
Given how fluid this situation is at the moment, I'm sure those papers will be sent to their units within a day or so
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I'm not too sure about that. The Title 10 article under which Trump ordered these guardsmen/women to active duty includes this statement:

"Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia."

While my experience with US Army pers admin was very limited and long ago, my impression then was it made similar CAF processes seem almost invisible. After a quick look at AR 600-8-105 (the regulation prescribing policies and mandated tasks regarding military orders) and DA Pam 600-8-105 (describes the orders formats and their use in specific circumstances), it appears that any of the formats that may apply to order guardsmen to active duty under that specific title mandates including a statement to the effect that the individual is ordered to active duty with the consent of the Governor. There are formats that do not include a "Governor's consent" but they are for different circumstances.

The Governor of California has been very clear that he has not consented to use of the National Guard. I don't doubt that documenting the duty status of the guardsmen will eventually be accomplished. I am less confident that "those papers will be sent to their units within a day or so", especially since it's their units' responsibility to cut the orders.
 
HavokFour said:
Oh boy.

www.military.com

Bragg Soldiers Who Cheered Trump's Political Attacks While in Uniform Were Checked for Allegiance, Appearance

As President Donald Trump viciously attacked his perceived political foes, he whipped up boos from the gathered troops directed at California leaders, including Gov. Gavin Newsom.
www.military.com www.military.com

https://www.reddit.com/r/Military/comments/1l939g8/so_they_basically_moved_a_bunch_of_troops_to_the
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Wow, that was bad. So unprofessional. It’s unfortunate that leadership probably won’t say or do anything.

Having said that, I always found it distasteful that for years (decades?), politicians of all stripes would have uniformed soldiers or LEOs lined up behind them as props for thinly disguised political events. I really didn’t like it when it started creeping into this country. It reminds me of the civil servants at the Pearson Building cheering Trudeau shortly after he became PM. What we saw at Ft. Bragg is the natural extension of this, IMHO.

I really hope this event stops this practice, at least in this country.
 
www.independent.co.uk

Alex Padilla forcibly removed after interrupting Kristi Noem’s immigration presser

Democratic senator was accosted and restrained by law enforcement officers after interrupting DHS chief during LA protest press conference
www.independent.co.uk www.independent.co.uk

“We are not going away,” Department of Homeland Security Secretary Noem declared. “We are staying here to liberate the city from the socialists and the burdensome leadership that this governor and that this mayor have placed on this country and what they have tried to insert into the city.”
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That sure doesn't sound like the original 'mission'. Pretty sure a certain angry failed artist did a similar thing. The way Senator Padilla was treated for simply vocalizing a question was chilling.
 
Blackadder1916 said:
I'm not too sure about that. The Title 10 article under which Trump ordered these guardsmen/women to active duty includes this statement:

"Orders for these purposes shall be issued through the governors of the States or, in the case of the District of Columbia, through the commanding general of the National Guard of the District of Columbia."

While my experience with US Army pers admin was very limited and long ago, my impression then was it made similar CAF processes seem almost invisible. After a quick look at AR 600-8-105 (the regulation prescribing policies and mandated tasks regarding military orders) and DA Pam 600-8-105 (describes the orders formats and their use in specific circumstances), it appears that any of the formats that may apply to order guardsmen to active duty under that specific title mandates including a statement to the effect that the individual is ordered to active duty with the consent of the Governor. There are formats that do not include a "Governor's consent" but they are for different circumstances.

The Governor of California has been very clear that he has not consented to use of the National Guard. I don't doubt that documenting the duty status of the guardsmen will eventually be accomplished. I am less confident that "those papers will be sent to their units within a day or so", especially since it's their units' responsibility to cut the orders.
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The exact issue you bolded, along with other aspects such as the Title 10 statutory preconditions for federalizing the Guard, was argued in a hearing in federal court that wrapped about an hour or so ago. The judge is hoping to have something preliminary issued today, which really could be any time now. Watch and shoot.
 
Might be the start of a new red state trend.

apnews.com

Gov. Abbott deploys over 5,000 Texas National Guard troops ahead of planned 'No Kings' protests

Texas Gov. Greg Abbott says he ordered the deployment of more than 5,000 Texas National Guard troops across the state, along with more than 2,000 state police.
apnews.com apnews.com

www.kshb.com

Missouri Gov. Kehoe activates National Guard as ‘precautionary measure’

Missouri Gov. Mike Kehoe announced Thursday that he’s activated the Missouri National Guard as a “precautionary measure” for the possibility of civil unrest.
www.kshb.com www.kshb.com
 
Cue the press conference tomorrow from what's-her-name declaring that the judge is out of control and doesn't have the authority to over-rule a duly elected president.
 
brihard said:
A federal judge has ruled Trump’s federalization of the California National Guard illegal, but for failing to satisfy the required statutory preconditions, and as a violation of the 10th amendment. The temporary restraining order takes effect at noon tomorrow.

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An interesting read. As I went through it I couldn't help but notice that several times the projectiles thrown at law enforcement were identified as ". . . fireworks, rocks and mangos . . .". No other fruit, vegetable or other comestible was listed as a weapon. Is there such an overabundance of mangos in Los Angeles that they are the grenade of choice or are they of particularly aerodynamic design that selection as a weapon is obvious? Will the unpleasantness in Los Angeles become known as the "Mango Melee".
 
Blackadder1916 said:
An interesting read. As I went through it I couldn't help but notice that several times the projectiles thrown at law enforcement were identified as ". . . fireworks, rocks and mangos . . .". No other fruit, vegetable or other comestible was listed as a weapon. Is there such an overabundance of mangos in Los Angeles that they are the grenade of choice or are they of particularly aerodynamic design that selection as a weapon is obvious? Will the unpleasantness in Los Angeles become known as the "Mango Melee".
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As in the Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch???

Did not expect that did you??

Grenade GIF
 
To add from up thread.

Trump at it again. In a lot of the commentary, replace Australia with Canada.

Australia must 'pay the price’ for betraying Trump on defence spending​

Sky News host Andrew Bolt says Australia must “pay the price” for slapping Donald Trump around and refusing his demand to spend more on defence. Ties between Canberra and Washington have frayed as the Trump administration launches a review of the AUKUS deal after the Albanese government resisted requests to lift defence spending to 3.5 per cent of GDP. The Albanese government also provoked frustration from the Trump administration after its decision to sanction Israel—a move which the US publicly “condemned”. “The US defence department says it’s going to review our deal to buy the American nuclear submarines we need – critically need,” Mr Bolt said.
 
Rifleman62 said:
To add from up thread.

Trump at it again. In a lot of the commentary, replace Australia with Canada.

Australia must 'pay the price’ for betraying Trump on defence spending​

Sky News host Andrew Bolt says Australia must “pay the price” for slapping Donald Trump around and refusing his demand to spend more on defence. Ties between Canberra and Washington have frayed as the Trump administration launches a review of the AUKUS deal after the Albanese government resisted requests to lift defence spending to 3.5 per cent of GDP. The Albanese government also provoked frustration from the Trump administration after its decision to sanction Israel—a move which the US publicly “condemned”. “The US defence department says it’s going to review our deal to buy the American nuclear submarines we need – critically need,” Mr Bolt said.
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The USN needs Australia to get the AUKUS Boats.
Or else SSN production here needs to jump.
 
Donald Trump Sounds Like a Democrat From the 1980s.

The irrationality aside, the policy choices do accord. There is a referenced article by George Will, which is paywalled at WaPo, but seems to be freely available here.

The median 2025 Democrat is well left of the median 1980s Democrat, as the median 2025 Republican is slightly left of the median 1980s Republican. The conservativism of Reaganites is not the conservativism of the Bush-and-Bush "compassionate conservatives"/neo-cons.

2020s populism is delivering much of what Democrats once wanted, 40 years late.
 
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