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Trump administration 2024-2028

Remius said:
Only more evidence that we need other more reliable and stable partners.

The US is definitely neither.
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Dear America. The world now sees the Chinese Communist Party as a more stable and honourable trade partner. The CCP. Well done.

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He’s certainly not helping the DOJ lawyers who will be stuck having to argue the legitimacy and necessity of the tariffs at SCOTUS on national security grounds. His tariffs are predicated on very specific legal authorities that the courts have already determined he didn’t have even before his latest tantrum. His lawyers will be trying to salvage that at SCOTUS. Every time he opens his mouth or orders some new arbitrary action is increases their challenge.
 
brihard said:
He’s certainly not helping the DOJ lawyers who will be stuck having to argue the legitimacy and necessity of the tariffs at SCOTUS on national security grounds. His tariffs are predicated on very specific legal authorities that the courts have already determined he didn’t have even before his latest tantrum. His lawyers will be trying to salvage that at SCOTUS. Every time he opens his mouth or orders some new arbitrary action is increases their challenge.
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God Bless Him. Please keep him running at the mouth.
 
daftandbarmy said:
Looks like someone should have read this article first ;)

How to Negotiate With Someone Like Trump – And Win​


So, how should you negotiate effectively with someone like Trump? Many world leaders seem to believe that they must either obtain more power than him (which is theoretically correct, but close to impossible for most to achieve in the short term), ignore the power difference altogether and attempt to negotiate as equals, or just give in to avoid the pain or risk of confronting his hard tactics and suffering his retaliations. These are three basic mistakes that will send any negotiator toward failure in this context.

2. Don’t publicly make them look bad

People like Trump care about their image. Eroding their image is akin to attempting to reduce their power, which will likely invite a strong and immediate response. Yet, there are many negotiators whose approach has been based on trying to make Trump look bad. It’s critical to understand that power is not bravado. Trump will attempt to negotiate collaboratively with those like Russian president Vladimir Putin who, given the latter’s position as the head of a nuclear superpower, he doesn’t have a large power advantage over. However, he is unlikely to do the same with someone who acts like Putin but lacks the power to back it up.

Having a power advantage usually means that Trump can sustain the consequences of a conflict better or longer than the other side can. It’s naïve to expect that he will not try to restore his image by gaining one up on his counterparty, or that he will disregard his image and prioritise the deal’s economics. As such, those who make Trump – or anyone borrowing from his playbook – look bad publicly are likely to pay the price later unless they are powerful enough to avoid it.

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Lot of good it’s done to suck up to him. It’s about time someone had the balls to stand up to him, Lutnick et al. People don’t seem to grasp that it’s not simply about trade deals. He and his sycophant cronies are out to pound Canada into submission until we say, “Please accept us as the 51st state.” Nothing less.
 
brihard said:
He’s certainly not helping the DOJ lawyers who will be stuck having to argue the legitimacy and necessity of the tariffs at SCOTUS on national security grounds. His tariffs are predicated on very specific legal authorities that the courts have already determined he didn’t have even before his latest tantrum. His lawyers will be trying to salvage that at SCOTUS. Every time he opens his mouth or orders some new arbitrary action is increases their challenge.
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The only challenge will be how much the justices need to tie themselves in knots to give the president what he wants.
 
Those ads are turing out to be a little more expensive than $75M.

We ought to go cold turkey with our sugar daddies to the south.
 
brihard said:
Maple MAGA have yet to grasp that Trump is not a conventional rational actor with whom one can negotiate in good faith. His observable behaviour can be fairly described as fickle, petulant, and tempestuous. Best realistic case we’re still stuck with him for at least three more years. We must assume the U.S. remains an utterly unreliable economic partner for so long as he’s in office or otherwise calling the shots. America’s trade practices can be expected to lack conventional rationality, maturity, or predictability so long as Trump is in the mix. Literally just quoting Reagan in an ad has him wailing and increasing tariffs by 10% because he’s butthurt. And extra 10% tax on his own citizens and businesses because the truth offends him.

We need to build all of the other external economic relationships that we safely can without compromising core national security interests.
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Speaking of which, I haven't heard any of our Maple MAGA chime in on this for a while...
 
dapaterson said:
They have successfully demonstrated that the stated rationale for the POTUS Tariff-palooza is false, just as the case is advancing through court. There's significant value in that.
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Yup. As I’ve been saying for a while based on the lower level court decisions, while other countries bend the knee and sign shitty deals, our best bet is to run the clock while the courts do their thing, and hopefully his heaviest hitting weapon is removed. Poking the bear a bit so that he shows his pretext for tariffs to be bullshit won’t hurt us.
Remember that most of our trade remains under CUSMA.
 
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