Trump administration 2024-2028

[McG]

"Except for all these things that haven't actually transpired yet, they're fascist!"

Well, i know how concerned you are that Nazis lacked the economic policy to be true fascist, so I did not use that word.

That aside, the Nazis of 1936 had also not yet done all the evil things that that had accomplished by 1943. The Nazi of 1936 were still Nazis. MAGA regime is still in its early days.

But what they're being called is "Hitler" and "Nazi" (or close to it).

1. Big problems are most easily solved while they are still small.
2. Is there really any limit to what a person might reasonably do to "prevent Hitler"?

Taking (1) and (2) together, at what point short of "actual Hitler" does "anything goes" become legitimate? And what responsibility do people who bang the "practically Hitler" drum bear when someone who combines rage and low self-control responds to the social contagion and acts to prevent "Hitler"?

Do you also advocate that people should sugar coat their descriptions of Paul Bernardo, lest someone seek their own justice?

There is no sign extra-governmental supporters (eg. party members) are putting on quasi-military/police uniforms and rousting whomever they decide is undesirable without consequences.

No. The Trump government is hiring ethno-nationalist supporters into ICE, resourcing them them, and sending them to arbitrarily search, detain, assault, and even extrajudicially deport. They passed the extra-governmental militant wing stage and are into the politicized para-military state police stage of authoritarianism.

 

[Czech_pivo]

We can however kick said ambassador out and make the point that we won’t tolerate such behaviour from a high level diplomat.

If you want to be treated with respect, sometimes you need to demand it.

The problem with that unfortunately is that Trump might very well follow suit and do the same with ours.
Our Ambassador is in my opinion a very very sharp individual and losing her would be a huge blow to our side’s negotiating ability. She is our ‘Queen’ on the chess board and she is be protected. I’d be willing to say that if it came down to Leblanc in his role or Joly in her role, that Carney will move them out over losing our current Ambassador to the US if the US came looking for a head to roll.

 

[Jarnhamar]

It’s a ‘tit of tat’ move by Trump.
The US Ambassador can’t be seen to apologize first for his behaviour before the Canadians apologize for the ad.

Canada (Ford) dropped a scathing ad which was damning of Trumps actions. And spot on.

Trump lost his shit and threw a tantrum.

We said the ads were super important because now Americans know the truth and it got attention at the SCOTUS and with US voters.

US ambassador blasts us in our own country, sounding like a very one sided conversation.

Carney apologizes for the ad.

Trump brags that "He apologized for what they did with the commercial, because it was a false commercial"

Calling us liars.


The US ambassador maybe apologizing doesn't seem like a great victory all things considered.

 

[brihard]

You don’t PNG an ambassador for chickenshit like this.

 

[Czech_pivo]

Canada (Ford) dropped a scathing ad which was damning of Trumps actions. And spot on.

Trump lost his shit and threw a tantrum.

We said the ads were super important because now Americans know the truth and it got attention at the SCOTUS and with US voters.

US ambassador blasts us in our own country, sounding like a very one sided conversation.

Carney apologizes for the ad.

Trump brags that "He apologized for what they did with the commercial, because it was a false commercial"

Calling us liars.


The US ambassador maybe apologizing doesn't seem like a great victory all things considered.

You keep assuming Carney has apologized.
Based on Trumps track record, until the PMO makes a statement, I’m not of the belief any apology has occurred.

 

[Czech_pivo]

You don’t PNG an ambassador for chickenshit like this.

Stranger things have happened.
In this current environment, down is up and up is down.

 

[Jarnhamar]

until the PMO makes a statement

Don't hold your breath my friend, the PMOs office has gone to ground.

National Post has contacted the Prime Minister’s Office to ask about his apology to Trump but has not yet received a response. A spokesperson for the minister responsible for U.S.-Canada Trade, Dominic LeBlanc, declined to comment on Friday afternoon.

 

[RangerRay]

You keep assuming Carney has apologized.
Based on Trumps track record, until the PMO makes a statement, I’m not of the belief any apology has occurred.

With this administration, if they say the sky is blue, look outside yourself.

 

[HavokFour]

You keep assuming Carney has apologized.
Based on Trumps track record, until the PMO makes a statement, I’m not of the belief any apology has occurred.

I'm kind of wondering if the Canadian habit of saying "sorry" might have been interpreted as an apology. There's good reason why the Apology Act exists in Ontario.

 

[PPCLI Guy]

Is all that just like all the rest of the long list of fallacys related to Trump? Over fed coi fish, Russia collusion, destroy democracy by building addition on WH... blah blah blah.

Everyone will be ok. Really.

Why do you do that?

You are clearly an intelligent person with critical thinking skills and a good grasp of the English language, and you routinely post cogent and well thought out posts.

And yet in this post you ignore the original post and rely on blah blah blah and other dismissive phrases.

That kind of thing makes it difficult to winnow the grain.

So, why do you do that?

 

[PPCLI Guy]

I don't think appeasing bullies ever works out for the victims. If Canada is going to get beat up, and lets face it we are, I'd rather we at least keep our dignity.

Carney shouldn't apologize for the ad that was it was 110% accurate.

I agree completely.

Has someone other than Donald Trump said that Carney apologised?

 

[Brad Sallows]

Why bother when your federal agents and NG are doing that for you.

Ah, yes. Back to the '60s.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Two federal court judges have each separately and simultaneously ruled that the Trump administration must access federal emergency contingency funding to continue SNAP (food stamp) payments to states. Even with access to this emergency funding, there's only enough to cover part of November's payments.

It will be interesting to watch them try and stick the landing. The judicial branch presumes to direct the executive branch on how to spend based on what the legislative branch said, while the legislative branch is blocking funds from flowing...

 

[Brad Sallows]

Well, i know how concerned you are that Nazis lacked the economic policy to be true fascist, so I did not use that word.

Nazism =/= fascism. Nazism was a grab-bag of policies.

Do you also advocate that people should sugar coat their descriptions of Paul Bernardo, lest someone seek their own justice?

Drill down a bit. The principle that things people say and write can induce others to do wrong has been firmly established in law (and matches common sense), or else we wouldn't need laws against certain things being said and written. Most of what intemperately passes one person's lips or pen doesn't rise to the level of incitement where bright lines are drawn in law, but what has to be considered is the volume and frequency when it pours like a sewer from the mouths of media and politicians and entertainers and so forth.

No. The Trump government is hiring ethno-nationalist supporters into ICE, resourcing them them, and sending them to arbitrarily search, detain, assault, and even extrajudicially deport. They passed the extra-governmental militant wing stage and are into the politicized para-military state police stage of authoritarianism.

Is this your synthesis, or is it grounded on something verifiable? I assume there are bad apples; every agency has them. How many? I ask because there's no point getting worked up if the numbers are about average for any policing agency. I don't like it when RCMP, for example, are found to be detaining people on weak pretexts and treating them like shit in custody, but I don't blame that on the institution or the country. If you're alleging a secret cadre of enforcers is being created, it's the first I've heard, and I'd expect left-wing groups to be all over it in the US shouting it to the rafters if it really existed.

 

[Jarnhamar]

I agree completely.

Has someone other than Donald Trump said that Carney apologised?

No just Trump. Carney has an opportunity to set the record straight or just ignore it. Personally I would hope Carney would call out someone lying about him (and by extension our country).

 

[McG]

Drill down a bit. The principle that things people say and write can induce others to do wrong has been firmly established in law (and matches common sense), or else we wouldn't need laws against certain things being said and written. Most of what intemperately passes one person's lips or pen doesn't rise to the level of incitement where bright lines are drawn in law, but what has to be considered is the volume and frequency when it pours like a sewer from the mouths of media and politicians and entertainers and so forth.

You are advocating see no evil, speak no evil approach. But there is evil. You cannot address a problem that you refuse to acknowledged it. MAGA of 2025 has a lot in common with Nazis of 1936. Insisting that this not be discussed because someone might get violent is advocating to pretend the problem does not exists.

I assume there are bad apples; every agency has them. How many? I ask because there's no point getting worked up if the numbers are about average for any policing agency. I don't like it when RCMP, for example, are found to be detaining people on weak pretexts and treating them like shit in custody, but I don't blame that on the institution or the country. If you're alleging a secret cadre of enforcers is being created

No secret cadre of enforcers. This is happening right in the open with massive, unprecedented investment in nee equipment & growth for ICE. And if you want to imagine there is not a large pool of sources supporting excessive force, extra judicial deportations, undue detention, etc then I guess that problem you can go ahead and enable by pretending it does not exist.

 

[McG]

Nazism =/= fascism. Nazism was a grab-bag of policies.

Then why did you use “fascism” as a synonym when responding to comments referencing Nazis? If you are going to insist Nazis are not fascist enough, then you should not use the terms interchangeably.

 

[Brad Sallows]

You are advocating see no evil, speak no evil approach. But there is evil. You cannot address a problem that you refuse to acknowledged it. MAGA of 2025 has a lot in common with Nazis of 1936. Insisting that this not be discussed because someone might get violent is advocating to pretend the problem does not exists.

No. I'm advocating toning down the rhetoric from the people crying "fascism!" or "Hitler!" in ways that incite others to consider violent attacks on targets of the rhetoric.

No secret cadre of enforcers. This is happening right in the open with massive, unprecedented investment in nee equipment & growth for ICE. And if you want to imagine there is not a large pool of sources supporting excessive force, extra judicial deportations, undue detention, etc then I guess that problem you can go ahead and enable by pretending it does not exist.

I've done my own quick search and read. It's going to take more than the universe inhabited by such paragons of objectivity as "The Intercept" to convince me the story has legs.

 

[Brad Sallows]

Then why did you use “fascism” as a synonym when responding to comments referencing Nazis? If you are going to insist Nazis are not fascist enough, then you should not use the terms interchangeably.

Again, my point is against over-borne rhetoric and attempts to draw a line from Nazi Germany to USA 2025.

 

[McG]

No. I'm advocating toning down the rhetoric from the people crying "fascism!" or "Hitler!" in ways that incite others to consider violent attacks on targets of the rhetoric.

When Nazism is a legitimate comparable to something, the solution is not to stifle speech nor to deny the legitimate comparisons. The solution is for that something to stop behaving in ways that are legitimately comparable to nazism.