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Trump administration 2024-2028

Cloud Cover said:
Is there any evidence Carney apologized or is the only source Donald Trump.
I could see Carney saying something like “unexpectedly … uggghhh … unhelpful to the hard work Mr Trump has graciously done for us.” You know, Pump and Trump sort of stuff that says one thing but is a coy statement,

“Transformational President” = he’s a radical idiot who has no ethical boundaries.
“Respectful Dialogue” = don’t argue with an idiot
“We can’t change what President Trump wants to do”- stay away from the dude with the economic suicide vest.
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And, he apologized completely but eloquently. And unusually, he explained why. Taking that sort of office responsibility is something we haven’t seen in a decade or more. Full marks to him.
 
HavokFour said:
President of the United States, everyone.

Talk about a tantrum.
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True. This will be at least the second time he has pressed Republican senators to remove the legislative filibuster.

When they decline (and they will), it will firm up the evidence that they are not Trump's lackeys.
 
War is diplomacy by other means. - Carl von Clausewitz

Not to suggest that Trump or anyone in his circle would actually recognize the reference, or who said it.
 
Brad Sallows said:
One can only shake the head.

A deal, though...there's none to be made. A major reason for the overspending problem in the US is extraordinary spending that gets permanently extended through the CR mechanism (ie. enters the "baseline" from which extensions are calculated) regardless whether the original reason for the spending ceases to exist. The current fight is mainly about ACA premium subsidies that were increased as part of pandemic emergency spending. Republicans plan to let them expire. Democrats (mis-)calculated that their usual shutdown politics advantage in the media would allow them to keep the gravy rolling. But the Senate has attempted to move so many times on the CR that anyone arguing the Republicans are blocking the CR just looks stupid.
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Problem is over 20 million people lose their healthcare if those subsidies collapse. I laud Dems for treating that as their bridge too far, just as I thunk theyre idiots for not using their previous complete control of the legislative and executive branch to find a way to stabilize this file. Crazy to watch the greatest country on Earth shut their government down and stop providing food for 40 million so they can effectively dismantle the healthcare for 20 million. Grim.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Association Fallacy, for those who might be wondering.
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There's only so many times you can walk like a duck and talk like a duck before youre probably a duck. White nationalists are at all level of the Trump administration and as shown by the young republicans scandal, they have probably been thoroughly infiltrated by fascists. Its happening right before our eyes Brad.
 
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PrairieFella said:
There's only so many times you can walk like a duck and talk like a duck before youre probably a duck. White nationalists are at all level of the Trump administration and as shown by the young republicans scandal, they have probably been thoroughly infiltrated by fascists. Its happening right before our eyes Brad.
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There is a reason I didn't argue this one.

Those that believe it already know it, those who don't will never change their minds.

Just responded to someone, watched the predictable counter arguments come in from the usual suspects and moved on with my day.

Doesn't help that any conversation about this will quickly go off the rails.
 
Brad Sallows said:
People think that by comparing contemporary figures to Nazis, or contemporary events to the Holocaust, they're accentuating the badness of contemporary figures. What they achieve is to desensitize people to what Nazis really were, and what the Holocaust really was.
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One could reasonably describe some current US activities as efforts towards ethnic cleansing, but there is no genocide going on.

Fortunately, I don’t see anyone making comparisons to the Holocaust. It’s just you trotting it out as an absurd strawman to beat-up on.

Nazis were still Nazis in 1936 when there had not yet been a Holocaust. Your insistence that there must be a Holocaust before comparisons can be drawn is a reduction to the absurd. It is an avoidance of critical examination.
 
McG said:
One could reasonably describe some current US activities as efforts towards ethnic cleansing, but there is no genocide going on.

Fortunately, I don’t see anyone making comparisons to the Holocaust. It’s just you trotting it out as an absurd strawman to beat-up on.

Nazis were still Nazis in 1936 when there had not yet been a Holocaust. Your insistence that there must be a Holocaust before comparisons can be drawn is a reduction to the absurd. It is an avoidance of critical examination.
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From 1935-39 could it be argued that a form of ethnic cleansing against the Jews was put it in place. The creating of an environment where day to day living was so bad and restrictive that the only really option was to attempt to emigrate?
 
PrairieFella said:
There's only so many times you can walk like a duck and talk like a duck before youre probably a duck. White nationalists are at all level of the Trump administration and as shown by the young republicans scandal, they have probably been thoroughly infiltrated by fascists. Its happening right before our eyes Brad.
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I lived through the 1980s when Reagan's supposed televangelist buddies were going to persuade him to bring about Armageddon. I'm well-insulated from overwrought panic which is really just politics dialed up to 11 by the factions out of power.
 
PrairieFella said:
Problem is over 20 million people lose their healthcare if those subsidies collapse. I laud Dems for treating that as their bridge too far, just as I thunk theyre idiots for not using their previous complete control of the legislative and executive branch to find a way to stabilize this file. Crazy to watch the greatest country on Earth shut their government down and stop providing food for 40 million so they can effectively dismantle the healthcare for 20 million. Grim.
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The subsidies in question are temporary subsidies, passed as a pandemic mitigation measure, which by definition were planned to expire. If there's a problem with this, the fault lies with the Biden administration and Congress of that time for not passing permanent subsidy increases.

It is beyond idiotic to frame discussions about temporary measures as if the government in office at the time they expire is responsible for withdrawing something. Something with an end date was and is meant to end. We went through the same idiocy when LPC and NDP supporters bitched because the Harper government did not indefinitely extend Paul Martin's "fix for a generation (10 years)". If parties pass these things thinking they're going to one day use them as a political cudgel, it just makes them more cravenly opportunistic.

SNAP funding appropriations are a Congressional responsibility. The House has passed a CR; the Senate with a working majority but not a working supermajority has tried (10, 12, 13 - reports vary) times to advance the CR to a floor vote. Democrats (mostly - Rand Paul objects that there is still too much spending) are blocking a floor vote with the legislative filibuster - that's the one they claim is an anti-democratic fossil whenever they hold a working Senate majority. People ought to get over their Trump obsession for at least long enough to correctly lay blame for all this on Democrats where it belongs.
 
Brad Sallows said:
I lived through the 1980s when Reagan's supposed televangelist buddies were going to persuade him to bring about Armageddon. I'm well-insulated from overwrought panic which is really just politics dialed up to 11 by the factions out of power.
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Wait, have we changed subject back to Regimental Honourary Colonels and Senates again? ;)
 
McG said:
One could reasonably describe some current US activities as efforts towards ethnic cleansing, but there is no genocide going on.

Fortunately, I don’t see anyone making comparisons to the Holocaust. It’s just you trotting it out as an absurd strawman to beat-up on.
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It would be a neat inversion if the people making Nazi and fascist comparisons - "see, this could one day become that if it goes on longer and becomes much, much bigger" - could make their own excesses a "strawman". Everyone from "this is starting to look like fascism" to "it's Hitler!" is part of that idiocy.
McG said:
Nazis were still Nazis in 1936 when there had not yet been a Holocaust. Your insistence that there must be a Holocaust before comparisons can be drawn is a reduction to the absurd. It is an avoidance of critical examination.
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It is wildly improbable that the US is even going to get to 1933.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Shades of "I'll be damned if my regiment becomes a laundry unit on my watch"?
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Oh yeah... I'm sure they're all in the battle prep stage right now...

gun suiting up GIF
 
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