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Trump administration 2024-2028

The Bread Guy said:
Meanwhile, over at DoW ...
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DOD Officially Drops 180 Faiths From Military's Recognized Religion List

Defense Secretary Hegseth previously announced the change due to an "impractical" system.
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Pentagon drops 180 faiths from military's recognized religions list

The Department of War officially removed 180 faiths from its recognized religions list, reducing over 200 faith codes to just 31 under a new memo.
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No more valhalla for kash Patel.
 
Navy_Pete said:
lol, the 250 celebration is now canceled, with it going to be a Trump hero worship rally, and a UFC event that is now banning even the normally MAGA, gun toting rednecks like Sean Strickland for criticizing Israel. Fox News just is ignoring the cancelation and criticism from right wingers, so found this in the sun for a 'non liberal media' perspective.

Sean Strickland 'banned' from UFC Freedom 250 event at White House over Israel comments

Messy website for copy pasting, so apologies for that, but link above if you want to read it. When even huge redneck Trump supporters are calling him out it's a bad day.
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And it makes the Whitehouse look like it has been occupied by an alien society...

... which is kind of ironically true ;)

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daftandbarmy said:
And it makes the Whitehouse look like it has been occupied by an alien society...
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Americans with rah-rah-USA-USA pride in the US are the alien society in the US? Doubtful.

What has been unfolding in the US is the consequence of the normies wrestling the wheel away from the favoured and moneyed political establishments for a while. Not the driver many people would have liked, but there was only one choice presented.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Americans with rah-rah-USA-USA pride in the US are the alien society in the US? Doubtful.

What has been unfolding in the US is the consequence of the normies wrestling the wheel away from the favoured and moneyed political establishments for a while. Not the driver many people would have liked, but there was only one choice presented.
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Are you listening to yourself?

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FJAG said:
Are you listening to yourself?
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What is it you think "ordinary" Americans want?

I suppose they are tired of being lectured that the US is a terrible nation that should be perpetually ashamed of itself. There are surveys to back up the "80" side of the "80/20" issues: immigration control, abatement of crime and disorder, a halt to the reach of adult-appropriate sexualization down into the primary school grades. These are all things that the ascendant leftmost minority of the Democratic party is still pushing [the "20" side of], and that the old establishment Republicans are still perceived as being too polite to push back against.

I suppose that at 1776 + 250, most would like to feel approximately the vibe of 1976.
 
Brad Sallows said:
What is it you think "ordinary" Americans want?

I suppose they are tired of being lectured that the US is a terrible nation that should be perpetually ashamed of itself. There are surveys to back up the "80" side of the "80/20" issues: immigration control, abatement of crime and disorder, a halt to the reach of adult-appropriate sexualization down into the primary school grades. These are all things that the ascendant leftmost minority of the Democratic party is still pushing [the "20" side of], and that the old establishment Republicans are still perceived as being too polite to push back against.

I suppose that at 1776 + 250, most would like to feel approximately the vibe of 1976.
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A wonderful recap of the MAGA position.
 
Brad Sallows said:
I suppose that at 1776 + 250, most would like to feel approximately the vibe of 1976.
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I enjoyed the "vibe of 1776". Probably for the most selfish reason of all. I was 50 years younger. < smile emoji.

I suppose most Americans who remember the vibe of 1976 might feel the same way.

Or, maybe not. < dunno emoji
 
Brad Sallows said:
What is it you think "ordinary" Americans want?
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I don't know the pulse of the US population, but suspect the "ordinary American" wants neither society that the far left or the, currently empowered far right desires.

I have a hard time believing that your so-called "normies" are the Christian Nationalist, Trump-was-chosen-by God, party-like-it's 1776 racism, Orwell-is-a-guidebook crowd now in control.
 
lenaitch said:
I don't know the pulse of the US population, but suspect the "ordinary American" wants neither society that the far left or the, currently empowered far right desires.

I have a hard time believing that your so-called "normies" are the Christian Nationalist, Trump-was-chosen-by God, party-like-it's 1776 racism, Orwell-is-a-guidebook crowd now in control.
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Most of the voters who put Trump in office are "normies". They're the ones who decide presidential election outcomes. It certainly isn't the case that defecting former Democrats were "MAGA" all along.
 
Brad Sallows said:
Most of the voters who put Trump in office are "normies". They're the ones who decide presidential election outcomes. It certainly isn't the case that defecting former Democrats were "MAGA" all along.
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Indeed. His first term was comparatively benign and I suspect those who voted for him expected much the same the second time around. I suspect a lot of buyer's remorse has set in but there is a non-zero set of voters who have consumed the Kool-Aid.

That and the Democrats ran a poor campaign.
 
Good2Golf said:
By the gross numbers he isn’t wrong.
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My focus is on the following words: "the normies wrestling the wheel away from the favoured and moneyed political establishment."

The first part deals with the use of the word "normies." which characterizes the core Trump supporters as part of the "normal" part of the US population. The fact that they convinced a large segment of the middle (where I tend to believe the true normal part of the US population lies) is irrelevant. Their tilt to voting Republican was a strange confluence of the Biden "demented" narrative; the Democrats poor choice to go with Harris; and the general spreading of vitriol and false narratives involving immigration, religious based terrorism, crime statistics, the economy and DEI.

The second part deals with "wrestling the wheel away from the favoured and moneyed political establishment." What has happened is that it has merely transferred power and influence from one group to a different "moneyed political establishment" and has opened up access to graft to a whole new generation of grifters.

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Trump's movement is by no means a "political establishment" with decades of history and longevity. It didn't even know the ins and outs of power in Washington DC for its entire first term - a weakness undeniable because of the extent to which his opponents openly bragged about exploiting it.

Regardless, the middle of the US electorate that decides presidential elections is not the extremes. And to return to and re-emphasize the point, it and most of the region to its political "left" and "right" is not the "alien culture" in the US.
 
Navy_Pete said:
So just straight up overt prejudice then?
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Would it be?

Three of the officers removed by Mr. Hegseth from the promotion list are women and two are Black men. An additional four are white men.
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The article says women make up about 21 percent of the active-duty Navy. Does that mean 21% of admirals must be female? That seems the opposite of merit based.


Were the 4 white males removed just sacrificial fires to cover up Hegseth's prejudice?
 
Jarnhamar said:
Would it be?



The article says women make up about 21 percent of the active-duty Navy. Does that mean 21% of admirals must be female? That seems the opposite of merit based.


Were the 4 white males removed just sacrificial fires to cover up Hegseth's prejudice?
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Of course not. They were ALL removed as a result of Hegseth's prejudices.

It's the whole idea that Hegseth has any business overturning the results of military merit boards for reasons that, on their face, have nothing to do with extraordinary circumstances under which he may remove a name here or there from those board generated merit lists, without actually explaining what those extraordinary circumstances would be in the cases. Since, in previous administrations (all of them from either party) such removal was exceptionally rare, one can infer that there is something more sinister at play, namely Hegseth's prejudices and/or his lack of understanding of the working of government (and he is not the only one in this administration like that) where the professional public servants carry out the policies of the administration of that day regardless of their view of it, and therefore, it should not be held against them that they did so.

Otherwise, this is what happens:

 
Oldgateboatdriver said:
Of course not. They were ALL removed as a result of Hegseth's prejudices.

It's the whole idea that Hegseth has any business overturning the results of military merit boards...

Since, in previous administrations (all of them from either party) such removal was exceptionally rare...
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I can't speak to whether or not him removing people is within his authority of course. Regarding previous US administrations rarely removing people, is that because there was no grounds or because of politics?

People in DND/CAF apparently knew about retired CDS Vance's dalliances for quite a while. A poorly kept secret. Meanwhile he still made CDS. It's possible Hegseth is trying to prevent undesirable leaders from moving up.
 
Jarnhamar said:
I can't speak to whether or not him removing people is within his authority of course. Regarding previous US administrations rarely removing people, is that because there was no grounds or because of politics?

People in DND/CAF apparently knew about retired CDS Vance's dalliances for quite a while. A poorly kept secret. Meanwhile he still made CDS. It's possible Hegseth is trying to prevent undesirable leaders from moving up.
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You cannot compare with Vance's situation. CDS or in the US the various Chief of Staffs are political appointments. This is a list for promotion from Captain/Colonel to Brigadier/Rear-Admiral (lower half). They are not political but merit based and the boards make the list purely on merit, with the Secretary of Defense only having the right to remove them from the list for specific listed reasons discovered after the fact. At least that is my understanding of the US system.
 
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