Trust in our Institutions

[QV]

Unless I missed something they were pretty silent on the whole 51st state thing.

That speaks volumes to me. And I wont accept 'they quietly supported us'. Their public silence said everything I needed to hear.

That's because everyone on the planet recognized the 51st state thing for what it was except the awkwardly and easily offended Canadians spurned into a frenzy by the LPC/dishonest media.

 

[Remius]

Unless I missed something they were pretty silent on the whole 51st state thing.

That speaks volumes to me. And I wont accept 'they quietly supported us'. Their public silence said everything I needed to hear.

Were you not a soft supporter of that option? Or at least a supporter of more US integration?

 

[Remius]

That's because everyone on the planet recognized the 51st state thing for what it was except the awkwardly and easily offended Canadians spurned into a frenzy by the LPC/dishonest media.

You promoted the idea of joining the US on this very site. Has your mind been changed?

 

[Genetk44]

Although I disagree with Cloud Cover in general he is spot on here…”Trade with European Union will require massive compromises and adoptions by Canada of standards and levels of environmental action, rules for property ownership, our constitutional division of powers, our common law, our laws of contract, our travel, trade in a manner that is not compatible with how 10s of millions of Canadians want to live their lives.” Canada and the provinces are already grossly over-burdened with red-tape and over-regulation, we certainly don’t need additional over-regulation and micro-manageing the EuroZone would want to implement. We should engage as much with the Euros as possible but on our terms, not theirs.

 

[Remius]

Although I disagree with Cloud Cover in general he is spot on here…”Trade with European Union will require massive compromises and adoptions by Canada of standards and levels of environmental action, rules for property ownership, our constitutional division of powers, our common law, our laws of contract, our travel, trade in a manner that is not compatible with how 10s of millions of Canadians want to live their lives.” Canada and the provinces are already grossly over-burdened with red-tape and over-regulation, we certainly don’t need additional over-regulation and micro-manageing the EuroZone would want to implement. We should engage as much with the Euros as possible but on our terms, not theirs.

So CETA is not working?

 

[Halifax Tar]

Were you not a soft supporter of that option? Or at least a supporter of more US integration?

What is a soft supporter ?

Integration is not giving up our sovereignty or autonomy.

 

[Halifax Tar]

That's because everyone on the planet recognized the 51st state thing for what it was except the awkwardly and easily offended Canadians spurned into a frenzy by the LPC/dishonest media.

I think we handled the 51st state talk all wrong and I agree our oldies got overly worked up.

Having said that, the silence from our other 'allies' was deafening. Some solidarity would have been nice to see.

We have buried a few people over there for their sovereignty and autonomy, it would have been nice to hear someone say they have our back.

 

[GR66]

What is a soft supporter ?

Integration is not giving up our sovereignty or autonomy.

Doesn't "integration" imply an alignment of policies and regulations to make interactions more seamless? The same type of alignment of policies and regulations that are being decried as being unacceptable when it comes to the EU?

 

[QV]

You promoted the idea of joining the US on this very site. Has your mind been changed?

Not at all.

The 51st state rhetoric was a fumbled float of the idea, partly because of Trump's hip thrust manner of communication and also the usual media frenzy following that. I do not believe the US would annex Canada nor do I believe there is widespread support particularly on the RNC side to absorb a bunch of lite socialists.

I do think serious analysis ought to be expended in what a North American Union between Can/US/Mex would look like. I'm all for fortress North America. I think all three countries bring very valuable pros to the table in that kind of union.

 

[daftandbarmy]

Something about missed potential.

Indeed... we're good at that

 

[Halifax Tar]

Doesn't "integration" imply an alignment of policies and regulations to make interactions more seamless? The same type of alignment of policies and regulations that are being decried as being unacceptable when it comes to the EU?

I think, for me, it depends on what we are integrating. I think the EU started out as a good idea, a combined economic effort.. But it seems that its morphed into something other than that, that member states have lost some autonomy.

 

[Genetk44]

So CETA is not working?

I did not say that.

 

[Halifax Tar]

Although I disagree with Cloud Cover in general he is spot on here…”Trade with European Union will require massive compromises and adoptions by Canada of standards and levels of environmental action, rules for property ownership, our constitutional division of powers, our common law, our laws of contract, our travel, trade in a manner that is not compatible with how 10s of millions of Canadians want to live their lives.” Canada and the provinces are already grossly over-burdened with red-tape and over-regulation, we certainly don’t need additional over-regulation and micro-manageing the EuroZone would want to implement. We should engage as much with the Euros as possible but on our terms, not theirs.

Your terms are acceptable.

We can do purely economic business, but they can stay out of our affairs otherwise. And we theirs.

 

[Remius]

I did not say that.

CETA is a trade agreement with Europe. Is what you quoted what is happening?

Stands to reason if we do business in Europe we will need to follow their rules just as they will need to follow ours if they do business here.