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UABs upon returning from afghanistan

To add to this, some of the people sending things home do not even understand that what they are sending is prohibited. Basically if you didnt buy it in Canada then it shouldnt be in your UAB. Aso I want to clarify that some of the illegal substances are things like tobacco and alcohol, I was in no way referring to illegal drugs.
 
So if the hold up is CBSA, then have the CoC submit to have more of their officers present to inspect these shipments. That way the troops can receive their pers effects and deployment kit in a reasonable timeframe. Clothing needs that kit to be returned in order to equip the next Battle group. They will not let them clear out as part of their release unless their deployment account is cleared, and if their deployment kit is still in Trenton waiting for inspection they can't release. Maybe the pre-departure inspection isn't thourough enough?
 
Maybe it's time to start dusting off the NDA - 129 and 130 are two of my favourite numbers.
 
Tango18A said:
So if the hold up is CBSA, then have the CoC submit to have more of their officers present to inspect these shipments. That way the troops can receive their pers effects and deployment kit in a reasonable timeframe. Clothing needs that kit to be returned in order to equip the next Battle group. They will not let them clear out as part of their release unless their deployment account is cleared, and if their deployment kit is still in Trenton waiting for inspection they can't release. Maybe the pre-departure inspection isn't thourough enough?

As for asking for more CBSA members, that is something that has been looked into and it appears there are more CBSA officers in Trenton now than there ever was before. Keep in mind though, CBSA also has to clear each aircraft and is load inbound to YTR so, they are quite busy at times too. I cannot comment on the inspection conducted in KAF prior to departure but you do bring up a good point. The MCC det in KAF is extremely busy though and I cannot comment on how they run things there as it has been almost three years since I was in KAF, even when I was there I worked for a different organization. There are other variables in this mess but I cannot and will not go into detail on an open forum, just remember that Trenton does not like the UAB situation any better than you do. 

 
And is there any reason that UAB bound for Edmonton can't be handled by CBSA in Edmonton?
 
Maybe a solution would be a CBSA TAV during the UAB drop-off period. Shipments could be cleared in country prior to departure where there is more time to do the search. I'm not sure how this suggestion to would affect UAB collected at dispersed locations, but it would certainly help at KAF. I know that the movers in KAF are extremely busy, and certainly try their best to do a thorough search, but they're not CBSA, so the bags are still not exactly cleared for customs purposes. I'm with Gramps in the level of astonishment that I have when I hear about stuff troops attempt to send home. I agree with Dataperson that 129 and 130 should be used more often in this instance. We tell the troops their subject to them, but we don't follow through.
 
A TAV would be good or have a Det in Mirage. And have the member present when the UAB is checked, then charges can be laid right there.
 
As for CBSA in YED taking care of it the items would have to be shipped in bond to Edmonton from Montreal for that to happen and that wouldbe a decision that CBSA would have to make. I dont know if CBSA would send members to KAF for preclearance due to the risk factor. I think there is some CBSA mmbers on this site that would be best suited to answer these questions. As for charges on the members, that may help, I do not know. I know I have seen some of the stuff that comes back and walked away thinking that some people should be charged for sure.
 
Well if CBSA would be willing to make that decision it would benefit the system. No more backlog in Trenton, and the troops would get thier kit quicker, and be able to turn it in. Charges would get rid of the temptation to break the rules
 
Tango18A said:
A TAV would be good or have a Det in Mirage. And have the member present when the UAB is checked, then charges can be laid right there.

They have done TAVs before in KAF, I am not sure if it is still done though due to manning issues. The Movemets people in Camp Mirage are far too busy to inspect the UAB from KAF there and they do not have storage space for it. If it were done in CM it would also displace priority freight and passengers on the aircraft transiting through there which would cause an totally different issue.
 
I am certain that CMTT Trenton would love to not have to deal with all that UAB. I do not work in CMTT but I do work very close to them and coordinate with them daily.
 
Returning UAB still doesn't seem like a priority to me.
My fellow was waiting for his UAB since February 2010.  With the help of Tango I found it in 15 minutes. It was sitting in a warehouse since May and no one was able to (I say inclined to) track down this person and send them their UAB.

Once I've waited the 2 or 3 month wait time then waited another 8 months for my lost UAB to show up. One day a private in kingston was board, noticed my stuff in a warehouse and took a few minutes to track me down and let me know my stuff was waiting.

I can see how searching every piece of UAB coming back can be time consuming but the system is still broke.  The person I spoke with on the phone the other day told me they generally don't bother trying to find errant UAB it's home.

Returning UAB to soldiers should be a priority, otherwise what happens is people like me choke up the mail system because we send our UAB stuff home in the mail instead. Each base should have a person or two tasked with this specifically when the UAB starts coming in.

It would be nice if this stuff could get checked in Kandahar or Mirage and declared safe. Not wasting everyones time with a cursory search then researching it again at customs- but search it by professionals once then sent home.  Anyone caught sending home seriously illegal dangerous goods gets charged.
 
It took more than seven months to get my stuff from Afghanistan. I got it because I was doing a tour of Dennison in Toronto, nowhere near where I live, and saw my barrack boxes stacked in a cage with a bunch of others (thank god for our multi coloured marking scheme ::) ). I had to come back, on my own dime during the week (6 hr round trip) in order to be there when the civvie was there with the key.

When asked when he intended on sending all this stuff on, he said

"When I receive a request for it".
"Do you notify anyone that you have it?"
"Not my job. It shows up, I store it, and send it on when requested to".
"How does someone know it's here to request it from you?"

Ever seen a deer caught in the headlights?

The system sucks, unless you are at a place that has a Traffic section.
 
And some Tfc sects are worse than others. WO X was on course in Gagetown until Nov 09, sends UAB to Tfc upon completion of course, asks for shipping delivery date told 2-3 weeks. Good to go I'll need it for Podium in mid Jan. Comes 1st week back to work after Xmas lve, wheres my UAB??? Still siting in the warehouse(WHERE??House) in Gagetown. Now requires a second issue for Podium. Should this be happening??? NO
 
Ahhh, some very good points made by both sides, yet everyone wants to point the finger at someone else.

I agree that there is a problem with the system, as far as domestic UAB is concerned. It does show the problem of what happens when everything, including training and manning, is geared towards going to war. How many new Ptes and Cpls in the Tfc Tech trade get any experience (vs just training) in an actual CMTT role these days (outside of Trenton)? The majority of it is either contracted out, or a small and often secondary task in a supply R&D section.

With regards to UAB coming back from Ops, if the finger needs to be pointed at anybody, it is the TF itself. If you want your kit back in a timely fashion, create a new secondary duty for some warm bodies and have them inspect the stuff before it makes it to the Tfc Techs. It doesn't need to be a Tfc Tech, as it is like any other kit inspection. Once it is once it leaves Afghanistan, or wherever it is outside of Canada, it is out of the CFs hands. It is then up to CBSA to do what they want with it until they release it. And as far as moving them forward to preclear items, why should they. If we can't ensure our people follow the rules, why should they inconvenience their people.

I don't think charging people is an option either, unfortunately. I believe if CBSA finds something and confiscates it, it then becomes between them and the individual involved, and because of privacy issues and the Charter of Rights, they won't release the information to DND.

One day, maybe, we will be like UPS, and be able to provide a tracking number to every individual so they can see exactly where their UAB is. But I wouldn't hold my breath.
 
Maybe I should have been clearer in that maybe in the future we will have an adequate system that will allow us to do real time tracking. So far, everything we have tried has met with either technical or bureaucratic difficulties. RFID, ITV, etc., all have their limitations due to how and where we operate. As well, we currently track items by shipment, not by individual piece. So if you called, I could tell you when your shipment arrived/departed a location, and maybe some of the on route stops it has made, but once that pallet is broken down, or sea container is emptied, the tracking stops for that shipment.

Here is an example of how it used to be, but I may be a little out of date:
1) You drop your UAB off in KAF, it is loaded onto a pallet or placed in a sea container. So we know where it is and can track it to its next destination.
2) Lets say that it goes to CM first, the pallet is broken down, and your UAB end up on a new pallet that goes out on a flight in 2 weeks. It is now part of a new shipment, which probably is not linked to the old shipment in the system.
3) The shipment arrives in Trenton, the pallet is unloaded, it waits on the floor until CBSA clears it. Because you are an augmentee, lets say from a reserve unit in London, your UAB goes out on a commercial carrier to the support unit there, as a new shipment with a new tracking number. Someone in London receives the shipment, probably not a traffic tech, and probably without access to the NMDS. They have none of the original paperwork you filled out when you dropped it off, and the only contact info is what is sprayed on your kit. So they wait until someone calls looking for it.
4) After 3 or 4 months, you start calling around looking for UAB. You call Pet, because you deployed with that Battle Group. They say, we all got ours 2 months ago, its not here, sorry call Trenton. You call Trenton, give them the number on the paperwork, they tell you they know it made it to CM, but will have to investigate further to track it down. They put it on their long list of things to do, and hopefully, if all the correct info is in the system, they can track it down.
5) Trenton final is able to figure out where it is, you call London ASU, they say we'll look for it, but seeing as it came in a month ago, it is probably squirreled away somewhere hard to find.
6) Finally, 6-9 months after redeploying, you finally get a call that your stuff has been found, please come get it out here, its been taking up space for months and why didn't you get it earlier.

Now, if they have finally managed to get all the bar code readers working, and the system set up at all locations, and the people trained on how to properly use the system, then they may be able to tell you where the UAB should be, at any given time. But I don't know if we are there yet.
 
RFID is only used on specific shipments and is generally not used on UAB.
 
Tango18A, you are indeed correct, the CARF contains a TCN, this number remains with the shipment for its entirety, the Waybill number will change from one location to the next but the TCN remains the same.

UAB flows similar to what Captloadie mentioned with some differences though. It is placed in a Sea Can but is normally sent to a different location than Camp Mirage now. Upon arrival in the new location it is placed on a ship and sent to Montreal, from Montreal is it trucked to YTR in bond and sorted from there. They have also come out with new barcode readers that work a lot better than the old ones did.
 
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